From: ccie2be (ccie2be@nyc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Dec 30 2004 - 12:51:49 GMT-3
But, then how do you explain why and how
R4 gets an ip address when R5 is configured with
dhcp-server?
Whichever command, ip helper or dhcp-server is configured on
R5, doesn't cause R4 to send dhcp requests packets, but when
R5 is configured with dhcp-server, R4 gets an ip address and
R5 sends a dhcp-discover request to R1.
BTW, did you see the post from Andy on this topic?
He got the ip helper command on R5 to work but he had
to change the config on R4's bri interface from "ip address negotiate"
to something else - I forget off-hand.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Smith" <j333smith@hotmail.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: I E lab 13 - dhcp-server vs ip helper
> Tim,
>
> I think you have answered your question. R4 is not sending out a DHCP
> request, so even if ip helper forwards the broadcast, it's not a dhcp
> request, so the DHCP server would not respond.
>
> J3
>
> >From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
> >To: "Joe Smith" <j333smith@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Subject: Re: I E lab 13 - dhcp-server vs ip helper
> >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:40 -0500
> >
> >Joe,
> >
> >If you lab this up and run debug dhcp packets on R4, it's interesting to
> >see
> >
> >that R4 never sends out any dhcp packets (even though it does get it
> >
> >address originally from the dhcp server.).
> >
> >In fact, with the current release of IOS, the dhcp client function is NOT
> >
> >supported on isdn interfaces.
> >
> >What happens is this:
> >
> >When the isdn circuit comes up because ppp is configured on the isdn
> >
> >link, ppp, not dhcp, is responsible for negotiating an ip address for
R4's
> >
> >bri interface.
> >
> >However, R5 acts as a dhcp client proxy for R4 and issues a dhcp discover
> >
> >packet to R1 to get an ip address for R4.
> >
> >I haven't been able to piece together the exact sequence of events from
the
> >debugs
> >
> >but, I'm pretty confident that at a high level that's what's happening -
at
> >least when
> >
> >R4 is configured with ip address nego and R5 is configured with
dhcp-server
> >x.x.x.x
> >
> >Pretty interesting, right?
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joe Smith" <j333smith@hotmail.com>
> >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: I E lab 13 - dhcp-server vs ip helper
> >
> >
> > > Tim,
> > >
> > > The DHCP request is coming from R4 and therefore is two hops away. If
> >the
> > > TTL is one when it reaches the R5 isdn interface, and R5 does its job
> >and
> > > subtracts one, the TTL reaches zero and is never forwarded to R1.
This
> >is
> > > supported by the DOC CD, which states "The IP time-to-live (TTL) value
> >must
> > > be at least 2" for ip helper-address.
> > >
> > > We know that a Windows box requesting a DHCP address has a TTL greater
> >then
> > > one, does a Cisco router? I would guess it would, but I can't test
> >since
> >I
> > > don't have access to my equipment until next week.
> > >
> > > Also of interest in the DOC CD The MAC address of the received frame
> >must
> > > be all-ones broadcast address (ffff.ffff.ffff). Obviously an ISDN
frame
> > > does not have a MAC address, but it states all conditions must be met.
> > >
> > > J3
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
> > > >To: "Joe Smith" <j333smith@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: I E lab 13 - dhcp-server vs ip helper
> > > >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:41:23 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Joe,
> > > >
> > > >That's a good point to keep in mind.
> > > >
> > > >In the scenario I was working with, that couldn't be an issue - the
> >dhcp
> > > >server was one hop
> > > >
> > > >from the dhcp relay.
> > > >
> > > >R4 --- isdn --- R5 ---- R1 (dhcp server)
> > > >
> > > >thanks for pointing that out.
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Joe Smith" <j333smith@hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:49 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: I E lab 13 - dhcp-server vs ip helper
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Tim,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know the TTL of the DHCP request? If its one, then ip
helper
> > > > > wouldn't work per the Doc CD, however the Doc CD has no TTL
> >requirement
> > > >for
> > > > > ip dhcp-server.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a thought.
> > > > >
> > > > > J3
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
> > > > > >To: "Joe Smith" <j333smith@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: I E lab 13 - dhcp-server vs ip helper
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:17:22 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On the chance that you were right, I manually added the global,
ip
> > > > > >forward-protocol, command
> > > > > >
> > > > > >to see if that would make a difference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Unfortunately, it didn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I don't understand this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Using the dhcp-server command works. Using the ip helper-address
> > > >doesn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I even rebooted the router after making the change just to make
> >sure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Could it possibly be that I need to change something else in
> >addition
> > > >to
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >above?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >(To test the above, I just removed the dhcp-server and added the
ip
> > > >helper
> > > > > >command.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tim
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Joe Smith" <j333smith@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:38 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: I E lab 13 - dhcp-server vs ip helper
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then I'm mistaken! Well sort of since you still need it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J3
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
> > > > > > > >To: "Joe Smith" <j333smith@hotmail.com>,
> ><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: I E lab 13 - dhcp-server vs ip helper
> > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:31:22 -0500
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Actually, according to the Doc-Cd, ip forword-protocol, is
> >enabled
> > > >by
> > > > > > > >default.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >When the ip helper command is used only to forward dhcp/bootp
> > > >messages,
> > > > > >you
> > > > > > > >may want to disabled the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >forwarding of other protocols which are also forwarded by
> >default
> > > >by
> > > > > >using
> > > > > > > >no ip forword prot xxx.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > >From: "Joe Smith" <j333smith@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:17 PM
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: I E lab 13 - dhcp-server vs ip helper
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken don't you also need the "ip
> > > >forward-protocol"
> > > > > > > >command
> > > > > > > >in
> > > > > > > > > combination with the ip helper?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > J3
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
> > > > > > > > > >CC: "Group Study" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: I E lab 13 - dhcp-server vs ip helper
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:59:39 -0500
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Hi guys,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >R4's bri interface is configured to have it's ip address
> > > > > >negotiated.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >R5 is configured as a dhcp relay & is suppose to get an
ip
> > > >address
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >for R4 from a dhcp server configured on R1.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >R4 --isdn --- R5 ----- R1 (dhcp server).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >This works as it's suppose to when R5 has the global
> >command,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >ip dhcp-server 139.1.15.1, configured.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >But, if the interface command, ip helper 139.1.15.1, is
> > > >configured
> > > > > >on
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >R5, then R4 doesn't get an ip address.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Can anyone explain why that is?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >I thought, the ip dhcp-server command does the same thing
> >as
> > > >the
> > > >ip
> > > > > > > >helper
> > > > > > > > > >command except
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >that it's more specific.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >TIA, Tim
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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