From: Larry Letterman (lletterm@cisco.com)
Date: Tue Dec 28 2004 - 14:23:53 GMT-3
Chuck,
Its a slow week so let them have some fun..if old saigon is anything
like BKK , we should all go have some fun...when I was there in the 70's
in the airforce it was a terrific time...
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Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Church, Chuck" <cchurch@netcogov.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: WAY OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> All,
>
> This is way off topic and should probably end. But I'll add
> that this job is only going to appeal to someone willing to make a
> permanent move there. You can't compare US expenses because you'd no
> longer live here. If you're looking to make huge cash overseas in a
> short time and come back to the states, you need to look at the
> 'dangerous' places, like Iraq, etc...
>
>
> Chuck Church
> Lead Design Engineer
> CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> Netco Government Services - Design & Implementation
> 1210 N. Parker Rd.
> Greenville, SC 29609
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Karl Young
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:58 AM
> To: "Nguyen Hoang Long"; "Ricardo Silva"
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
>
> Long,
> You have every right to post for your company that is fine , I
> love Vietnam but I could not take up your offer because my Mortage alone
> is $1000.00 per month.My car payment is $389.92/ month , I have 2 kids
> that both attend school at $120.00 per month , I make $8000.00 / month
> in Washinton DC and I only have the Written.So you see why many
> authentic CCIEs will never take up your offer.It's not personal its just
> business .Sometimes all I do is install SoHo routers in a month but the
> pay is the same.I have to give ALL my money to my wife so the secondary
> incentive to come to Vietnam is not there for me. All I need is the
> money...Lots of it.
> Regards,
> Karl
>
> "Nguyen Hoang Long" <ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn> wrote:
>
> >Ricardo is right,
> >
> >The two inherent reasons:
> >1- play important roles in interesting projects. Several of CCIEs I
> know in
> >countries around, they're really happy to come to Vietnam, just because
> they
> >have chance to design, implement state-of-the-art networks. I guess not
> high
> >% of CCIE in the world having chance to design/implement "million $
> worth"
> >networks.
> >I witness some of CCIE in a developed country going to install Modem,
> NTU,
> >or SOHO routers, which frankly I don't have chance to touch it for
> quite a
> >long time ;-)
> >
> >2- take home most of your salary ( after daily expenses)
> >
> >Anyway, I posted this message is not for seeking a CCIE for my company,
> just
> >because I know one company needs that, and I want to share that
> information
> >here. I believe there's someone who's interested.
> >
> >Thanks for your comments.
> >Regards,
> >Long #11898
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ricardo Silva" <ricardo.ferreira@quadcomm.com.br>
> >To: "joshua lauer" <jslauer@hotmail.com>
> >Cc: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>; "'Richard Danu'"
> ><rdanu@apex3.com>; "'Hai Minh'" <minh@ipmac.com.vn>;
> ><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:59 PM
> >Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> >
> >
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> How do u think a developing country will become a developed country
> in the
> >> future. They have to pave the way up to that level.... One of the
> most
> >> exciting things in working in developing countries is that u can
> design a
> >> nationwide IP network from the scratch. This is no longer possible
> even in
> >> the most developed country in the world....
> >>
> >> joshua lauer escreveu:
> >>
> >>> Good point,
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking there is another factor here other than money, maybe to
> help
> >>> a developing country get back on it's feet is more valuable than
> >>> money...Kinda like the reason why some doctors and surgeons work for
> free
> >>> in those parts of the world..Personally, I would not prefer to work
> there
> >>> but I know a few people with a humanitarian bug in them that might
> take a
> >>> bite at such a deal, even for less money but only for a short time
> gig.
> >>>
> >>> jl
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Schaffran"
> >>> <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>
> >>> To: "'Richard Danu'" <rdanu@apex3.com>; "'Hai Minh'"
> <minh@ipmac.com.vn>;
> >>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:25 AM
> >>> Subject: RE: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> You say the cost of living in Vietnam is low but why in the world
> would,
> >>>> let's say, someone from the US making $10,000.00 a month want to
> move
> >>>> half
> >>>> way around the world to make $2,000.00 a month?
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the incentive? Throw us a bone here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tony Schaffran
> >>>> Network Analyst
> >>>> CCIE #11071
> >>>> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> >>>> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> >>>>
> >>>> www.cconlinelabs.com
> >>>> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of
> >>>> Richard Danu
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:00 AM
> >>>> To: 'Hai Minh'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> >>>>
> >>>> How about CCIE making hamburgers in Vietnam?
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of
> >>>> Hai
> >>>> Minh
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:54 AM
> >>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> >>>>
> >>>> What do you mean "degraded" ?
> >>>> Do you want to say about the salary ?
> >>>> How much does a hamburger cost in US ?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Yasser Aly" <yaseraly00@yahoo.com>
> >>>> To: "Nguyen Hoang Long" <ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:05 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is the CCIE value degraded that much ??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Accepting such rates means that CCIE value is degrading !!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just my openion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nguyen Hoang Long <ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn> wrote:
> >>>>> hi group,
> >>>>> Sorry for unclear information, this vacancy is for valid CCIE (
> not
> >>>>> CCIE
> >>>>> written)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> Long
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nguyen Hoang Long"
> >>>>> To:
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:37 PM
> >>>>> Subject: CCIE hide in Vietnam
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Hi group,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > There's a vacancy for CCIE in Vietnam ( either Hanoi capical or
> Ho
> >>>>> chi
> >>>>> > minh
> >>>>> > city) in one of the key Cisco's SI.
> >>>>> > The position is also very flexible, can be either post-sales or
> >>>>> > consultant.
> >>>>> > Salary : negotiate, around 1-2 K US (NET) plus incentive / month
> (
> >>>>> note
> >>>>> > that
> >>>>> > daily expense, house rental in Vietnam is very cheap)
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Vietnam is in the infrastructure development phase, the number
> of
> >>>>> > in-country
> >>>>> > CCIE is only 10, that means CCIE has good chance to involve in
> >>>>
> >>>> interesting
> >>>>
> >>>>> > projects.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Anyone interested, send me an off-line e-mail.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Nguyen Hoang Long, #11898
> >>>>> > ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
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