From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sat Nov 27 2004 - 21:49:00 GMT-3
Hehehe... It's a really old box. CommServ series with 16 RJ-45 async
ports. Great for a terminal server :) Runs up to IOS 10.3 if memory
serves! The good old days!
I haven't played with an ISR yet, but GSRs and CSRs are a lot of fun!
(different ballgame, but I was just playing with the acronym letters) The
28xx and 38xx will run MPLS. The image will be called "Advanced Services"
now instead of the old enterprise release.
Feature Navigator has its moments, but overall is at least good for an
overview of things! Otherwise it's just tftp download, reload and see what
happens!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Koen
Peetermans
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:12 PM
To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Grant Stevenson'; 'Keane, James'; 'John Matus'; 'lab'
Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
Scott,
I can't resist : What in God's name is a CS-516 ? Looks like I'm not *that*
old after all ;-)
Have you been playing with the ISR's already ? Feature wise, wouldn't a 28xx
run most the stuff a 38xx runs ? MPLS ? I don't dare to trust Feature
Navigator anymore, it keeps on biting me in the b*tt :-) Ouch.
Kind regards,
Koen.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: zaterdag 27 november 2004 23:02
To: 'Grant Stevenson'; 'Koen Peetermans'; 'Keane, James'; 'John Matus';
'lab'
Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
Even with the 2610's things are difficult. 2610's don't have a T-train
release, for example that supports any DES/IPSec stuff and ISIS on the same
image. The XMs will. As we move along in some of the configs, I think
we'll see migration more into the 37xx and 38xx line.
But still no reason to chuck these things... As mentioned, they make great
frame switches and terminal servers. Hell, even the REALLY old CS-516 makes
a great term server!
They can still serve a great purpose on backbones to inject things as well!
Just watch your labs and what you are trying to do at each point. Remember
that while it may be really cool to have a lab of the brand new stuff in
every router, it's also really expensive!
Most topics only require 2 routers to really see how they work anyway! So
stragically place your newer routers and play with the new stuff there.
HTH,
Scott Morris, MCSE, CCDP, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
#4713, JNCIP, CCNA-WAN Switching, CCSP, Cable Communications Specialist, IP
Telephony Support Specialist, IP Telephony Design Specialist, CISSP CCSI
#21903 swm@emanon.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Grant Stevenson
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 12:08 PM
To: Koen Peetermans; 'Keane, James'; 'John Matus'; 'lab'
Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
The biggest problem you will have is when you need to run ISIS, and say MQS.
You will need to load certain version for one, and the other won't work.
I had this issue while studying Brian's IEWB_RS stuff.
I suggest the lowest end router you get is a 2610. At least you have some
flexibility and upgrade path.
On the plus side, if you can live with the limitations, their bloody cheap
:-)
I know have 12 of them that are obsolete, and not worth selling as it will
cost me more to post them that what they are now worth on ebay.
Good luck
PS, I upgraded for one reason, when I wanted to study, I got really annoyed
that what was expected was not happening, and this hindered my study.
AS the Lab cost you a ?1000 a shot, you might as well bite the bullet and
buy the kit.
Once you pass you can always reseel it on ebay (if its worth much when your
done!)
Regards Grant
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of Koen
Peetermans
Sent: 27 November 2004 15:46
To: 'Keane, James'; 'John Matus'; 'lab'
Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
Indeed; Don't throw them away just yet; apart from using them as a
frame-relay switch (eventually combine the frame-relay switching and
Backbone route generator in one box), a 2511 will just do nicely as terminal
server (also possible to combine it as being a backbone router).
As a route generator, 12.2 Release Enterprise will do just fine, no 12.2T
needed.
It's true that you will no be able to get all features on a 2500, but if you
know ALL the features possible on a 2500 you'd already be an expert.
80% of the knowledge needed can be trained on a 2500, for the other 20% get
one or two 2600(XM's), or hire a remote lab for some days.
If you don't want to throw all your money out of the window, get low-end,
low-cost material at home (so you can train whenever you want), and get
sessions on remote racks for stuff like ATM.
For example, I invested in voice stuff before my lab, only to have come to
the conclusion afterwards I'd been much better (cheaper) off practicing for
a couple of days on a remote lab.
Kind regards,
Koen.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Keane, James
Sent: zaterdag 27 november 2004 16:06
To: John Matus; groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; lab
Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
On the up side -
I have used 3 2504's that were due for destruction and linked them with a
Cabletron hub (similar fate).
I brought them home and made a frame relay compound switch which gives 2
frame relay clouds and three interfaces per cloud.
Of course you need to get a few back to back cables and black boxes (6 in
total)
My configuration was adapted from the internetworkexpert white paper (which
uses a 2501 and 2520)
http://www.internetworkexpert.com/resources/compound.frame-relay.htm (well
done Brian Dennis & co)
So don't chuck those 2500's just yet !
James Keane
-----Original Message-----
From: John Matus [mailto:jmatus@pacbell.net]
Sent: 27 November 2004 04:08
To: groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; 'lab'
Subject: Re: home labs
are you sure about that tony?
Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) 2500 Software
(C2500-IS-L), Version 12.2(15)T9, RELEASE SOFTWARE
(fc2)
is the T9 a "T" version?
Regards,
John D. Matus
MCSE, CCNP
Office: 818-782-2061
Cell: 818-430-8372
jmatus@pacbell.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>
To: "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "'lab'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: home labs
Actually, the 2500's are pretty much obsolete now. There is not a 12.2T
Enterprise for the 2500.
Tony Schaffran
Network Analyst
CCIE #11071
CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
www.cconlinelabs.com
Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of John
Matus
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:09 PM
To: lab
Subject: home labs
i'm thinking of scraping together a home lab. i know that for the 2500
series routers you neet 16/16 ram to accomodate the enterprise ios. does
anyone know if there are any limitations to the 2500's as far as the
enterprise images are concerned? is there the possibility that the 2500's
may not be supported in the next couple of image releases?
thanks in advance!!!
Regards,
John D. Matus
MCSE, CCNP
Office: 818-782-2061
Cell: 818-430-8372
jmatus@pacbell.net
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