From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sat Nov 13 2004 - 06:39:32 GMT-3
Well...
I can validate the fact that I haven't got a clue who you are either way.
:) Does that help?
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
David Sloan
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:58 PM
To: bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com; ccie2be@nyc.rr.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
I am not the same person listed as below (I'm sure Scott can tell you that).
I just want to inform everyone who is thinking of making a purchase that
they may not be getting what they believe they are. It's very misleading to
mention BGP in the first few sentences of your product's description and
have BGP completely absent from the product.
My other claim is most of the subjects listed under each of the catagories
is not available yet, which is true. Only OSPF is available in the routing
protocols and only DLSW and QOS is available in the QOS/Security subjects.
Which makes my claim absolutely true, more than half (most) of the subjects
aren't available yet.
If this doesn't fit the definition of VaporWare it's certainly close.
I'm sorry if I appear to be attacking your company, but I want to make sure
that everyone in this group knows what they're getting when they make a
purchase.
On the otherside, I would never criticize your lab book as I believe it is
the best and you've done an amazing job of transitioning to ipv6 and the
removal of VOIP where the others have yet to do much.
>From: "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>To: "David Sloan" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>,<ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
>CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: RE: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:41:11 -0500
>
>Hi David,
>
> I see that the subscription you're logging in to the technologies
lab
>with is not registered under your name, nor have you ever been a
>customer of Internetwork Expert. Furthermore, the only reference I can
>see to a "David Sloan" on groupstudy is the following
>post:
>
>http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200211/msg00503.html
>
>David A. Sloan
>President, IPexpert.net
>CCIE #6976, CCSI #21666 (Rt.)
>
> Is this you David, or am I mistaken? I find it odd that instead of
>contacting Internetwork Expert directly for any legitimate product
>related questions you instead choose to slander us on a public mailing
>list.
>
> For those of you wondering about the legitimacy of this claim, yes
it
>is true the lab series is not complete. However, the idea of this new
>format we're delivering the content in is that instead of waiting
>months for a new product to be released, we are offering this series on
>a subscription basis that costs about $12 per month.
>
> This way we can continue development on the series indefinitely and
it
>will never become obsolete. In other words the series will NEVER be
>complete. I have personally been posting the labs in this series every
>day since its release about two weeks ago. There are currently over 75
>labs in the series, such as:
>
>Understanding Layer 2 Access Switchports Understanding ISL Trunk Ports
>Understanding 802.1q Trunk Ports Understanding 802.1q Trunk Ports and
>the Native VLAN Configuring Trunk Ports without DTP Router-on-a-Stick
>Router-on-a-Stick and the Native VLAN EtherChannel EtherChannel - PAgP
>EtherChannel - PagP Auto EtherChannel - LACP EtherChannel - LACP
>Passive EtherChannel - Layer 3 Frame-Relay Inverse-ARP Frame-Relay
>Static Mapping 1 Frame-Relay Inverse-ARP & Static Mappings Frame-Relay
>Multipoint Interfaces: Inverse-ARP Frame-Relay Multipoint Interfaces:
>Static Mappings Frame-Relay Multipoint Interfaces: Inverse-ARP & Static
>Mappings Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces Frame-Relay
>Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Main Interfaces:
>Inverse-ARP
>Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Main Interfaces: Static
>Mappings Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Multipoint
>Subinterfaces:
>Inverse-ARP
>Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Multipoint Subinterfaces:
>Static Mapping
>Frame-Relay Main Interface: Inverse-ARP, Multipoint Interface:
>Inverse-ARP
>Frame-Relay Main Interface: Inverse-ARP, Multipoint Interface: Static
>Mapping Frame-Relay Main Interface: Static Mapping, Multipoint
>Interface:
>Inverse-ARP
>Frame-Relay Main Interface: Static Mapping, Multipoint Interface:
>Static Mapping Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces with
>Inverse-ARP Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces w/ Inverse-ARP &
>Static Mappings Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces w/ Static
>Mappings Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces w/ Inverse-ARP &
>Point-to-Point Subinterfaces Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces
>w/ Static Mappings & Point-to-Point Subinterfaces ATM PVC Main
>Interface w/ Inverse-ARP ATM PVC Main Interface w/ Static Mapping ATM
>PVC Main Interface w/ Legacy Static Mapping ATM PVC Multipoint
>Subinterface w/ Inverse-ARP ATM PVC Multipoint Subinterface w/ Static
>Mapping ATM PVC Point-to-Point Subinterface ATM PVC Discovery w/ Main
>Interface ATM PVC Discovery w/ Multipoint Subinterface ATM PVC
>Discovery w/ Point-to-Point Subinterface ATM SVC Static Mapping w/ Main
>Interface ATM SVC Static Mapping w/ Main Interface & Static NSAP ATM
>SVC Static Mapping w/ Multipoint Subinterface ATM SVC CLIP w/ Remote
>ARP-Server ATM SVC CLIP w/ Local ARP-Server ISDN Layer 2 Connectivity
>ISDN Legacy DDR ISDN Dialer Profiles ISDN Legacy DDR and Dialer
>Profiles ISDN Dialer Load-Threshold ISDN Dialer Load-Threshold (II)
>Legacy DDR with PPP ISDN Legacy DDR without Dialer Maps w/HDLC ISDN
>Legacy DDR with PPP and Dynamic Dialer Maps ISDN Legacy DDR with PPP
>PAP Authentication ISDN Legacy DDR with PPP CHAP Authentication Legacy
>Custom Queueing MQC Bandwidth Legacy Priority Queueing MQC Low Latency
>Queue Legacy Generic Traffic Shaping MQC Shaping Legacy Frame Relay
>Traffic Shaping MQC Frame Relay Traffic Shaping Legacy Committed Access
>Rate MQC Policing
>DLSw+ TCP Encapsulation
>DLSw+ FST Encapsulation
>DLSw+ Direct over Frame Relay
>DLSw+ Lite over Frame Relay
>DLSw+ Direct over HDLC
>
> If anyone else has any questions related to this product you can
email
>me offlist or find me on our chat server at
>http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
>bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>
>Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com
>Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>Of
> > David Sloan
> > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:06 PM
> > To: ccie2be@nyc.rr.com
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
> >
> > Because it's their product... Go to their website... It's a new
>product.
> >
> >
> > >From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
> > >To: "David Sloan" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
> > >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:02:51 -0500
> > >
> > >What does the CCIE Routing & Technologies Labs have to do with
> > Internetwork
> > >Expert (IE)?
> > >
> > >Those guys at IE, Brian Dennis and Brian McGahan, are giants in
> > networking
> > >and they've created the best practice labs workbook on the market
>IMHO.
> > >
> > >From the subject line of your post, it sounds like you're
> > >slandering
>the
> > >best ccie prep company out there today.
> > >
> > >Tim
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "David Sloan" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>
> > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:32 PM
> > >Subject: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
> > >
> > >
> > > > FYI for anyone interested in subscribing to the "CCIE Routing &
> > >Technologies
> > > > Labs."
> > > >
> > > > Most of subjects listed under each of the three catagories
> > > > aren't
>even
> > > > available yet. The most rediculous item is this though. The
>first
> > >line
> > >of
> > > > the description is:
> > > >
> > > > "Are you looking to isolate your CCIE lab preparation on an
>individual
> > >topic
> > > > basis? Tired of spending hours setting up a lab topology just to
>see
> > how
> > >BGP
> > > > works?"
> > > >
> > > > You won't find any BGP here... Yet.
> > > >
> > > > My advice.. Wait til the vapor materializes.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>_______________________________________________________________________
> > > > Subscription information may be found at:
> > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
> >
> >
>_______________________________________________________________________
> > Subscription information may be found at:
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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