From: Wayne Lawson (groupstudy@ipexpert.net)
Date: Thu Oct 07 2004 - 11:03:27 GMT-3
Gang - I'm getting "pelted" by a bunch requests for free Gold Memberships,
so - I've decided to make this available (again) to the general public.
Instead of emailing a request to me, please go to www.ipexpert.com, click on
"Memberships" and then click on the top Gold Membership you see. This will be
free, but will still require you to create a profile. *Please pass this on to your
colleagues, this free offer will expire tomorrow at 5:00 PM EST.
Thanks - Wayne
-----Original message-----
From: "Bala Ganesh" ganesh@ibioinformatics.org
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:46:20 -0400
To: "Wayne Lawson" groupstudy@ipexpert.net
Subject: Re: Approach to studying for the lab...
> Wayne,
>
> This is good news ;)
> I had tried to get myslef your free Gold membership sometime back. But got
> into some problem while registering and now I have forgot what went
> wrong.Anyways, better late than never, I am interested to try out your
> e-scenarios. Pls hook me up for the free Gold membership and let me know the
> details as well.
>
> Thanks,
> Bala Ganesh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Lawson" <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>
> To: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>; <steve.skinner@uk.pwc.com>; "Patrick
> Greene" <PatrickG@intellinet.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Approach to studying for the lab...
>
>
> > Tim,
> >
> > You just described our (IPexpert) CCIE-level e-Scenarios - approximately
> 80 -
> > protocol / technology focused lab scenarios....We just gave out free Gold
> > memberships last month - and will be releasing a completely new set of
> more than
> > 100 protocol and technology focused 2 to 6-hour lab scenarios in Jan 05.
> If you
> > guys want to take a look at these scenarios - email me directly at
> > wayne@ipexpert.com, and I'll hook up a free Gold membership for you.
> >
> > Thanks - Wayne
> >
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "ccie2be" ccie2be@nyc.rr.com
> > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:14:09 -0400
> > To: steve.skinner@uk.pwc.com
> > Subject: Re: Approach to studying for the lab...
> >
> > > Hey Steve, Patrick, et al,
> > >
> > > I couldn't agree more. Although many of the practice lab workbooks
> > > available on the market are pretty good ( although personally, I find
> the IE
> > > workbook the best by far), the one problem with all these workbooks is
> that
> > > topic wise these practice labs are all over the map.
> > >
> > > What I believe the ccie prep market still needs but is still missing are
> > > workbooks that are technology focused.
> > >
> > > How great would it be, for example, if someone wanted to practice BGP to
> > > make sure they knew it cold and could purchase a BGP practice labs
> workbook
> > > with 20 + labs just focused on BGP or Redsitribution or IGP's or
> Multicast
> > > or Frame Relay or ATM?
> > >
> > > In a perfect world, I imagine such a workbook on BGP, for example, would
> > > include initial config's for all the routers and switches so that all
> the
> > > layer 2 and IGP config's are already done. So, someone using such a
> > > workbook would just copy and paste those initial config's onto each
> device
> > > and then focus on BGP. I also imagine that included with such a
> workbook
> > > would a be Solution Guide (like IE provides for it's practice labs at no
> > > extra charge) which would explain how to think about and approach the
> tasks
> > > in the lab and include the output of various show and debug commands
> that
> > > verify the correctness of the solution.
> > >
> > > I think that if such workbooks were already available I would have
> passed
> > > the lab on one of my earlier attempts. Maybe it's just me and my style
> of
> > > learning but from my own experience, I've found that I don't retain
> enough
> > > knowledge on a given topic until I've focuesed on it and practiced it
> > > extensively and exclusively of other topics.
> > >
> > > For example, when I first began preparing for the lab I knew I would
> have to
> > > know Multicast. So, I read the Beau Williamson book cover to cover. I
> also
> > > took notes on what I read and I reviewed much of the documentation on
> CCO
> > > covering Multicast. But, what I didn't do, unfortunately, was then
> > > immediate apply my knowledge in practice labs. Then, after studying
> > > Multicast, I moved on to another topic and then another topic and so on.
> > >
> > > Then, when I started doing practice labs, I discovered that I couldn't
> > > remember enough of the details of Multicast to do those topics well in
> the
> > > practice labs. And, I had to go back and do a fairly lenghty review of
> the
> > > material. The reason being because I hadn't made permenent my knowledge
> of
> > > multicast at the time I had studied it. For me, this was the wrong way
> to
> > > go about it.
> > >
> > > So, to summarize, for me what I've discovered is that to really know the
> > > material well enough to pass the lab, I need to follow a structured
> format
> > > like this.
> > >
> > > Learn, review, and practice each topic on it's own starting with the
> layer 2
> > > topics and moving on the layer 3, BGP and then the non-core topics like
> QoS,
> > > Voip, snmp, etc.
> > >
> > > Then, after doing this, go onto doing 8 hour practice labs which cover
> all
> > > the topics.
> > >
> > > Hopefully, maybe some of the ccie prep vendors have already thought of
> this
> > > and are at this very moment developing workbooks of the kind I've just
> > > described. But, if not, there's nothing that prevents anyone from going
> > > through any of the existing workbooks on a topic by topic basis on their
> > > own.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents,
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <steve.skinner@uk.pwc.com>
> > > To: "Patrick Greene" <PatrickG@intellinet.com>
> > > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Approach to studying for the lab...
> > >
> > >
> > > > i find the best way to study is like this
> > > >
> > > > 1.go throught the labs and make a note of your weak area`s
> > > > 2.break up all the major technoloigies your weak in into groups and
> study
> > > > them seperatly
> > > > 3.Re review the labs and make sure you can do them COLD
> > > >
> > > > before that i broke up each topic and study 1 topic a week ....
> > > >
> > > > i found after my first attempt i was going through labs ...trying to
> learn
> > > > all the topic`s in that lab i was weak in ....and just got confused ..
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Skinner
> > > > Senior Network Analyst
> > > > PricewaterHouse Coopers LLP
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Patrick Greene"
> > > > <PatrickG@intelline To:
> > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > t.com> cc:
> > > > Sent by: Subject: Approach to
> > > studying for the lab...
> > > > nobody@groupstudy.c
> > > > om
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 06/10/2004 20:54
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please respond to
> > > > "Patrick Greene"
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am having a hard time determining what would be the best way to
> study
> > > > for the RS Lab. I have the Cisco Lab Prep book and IP Expert. Is it
> > > > better to review all the labs and their solutions or just start with
> the
> > > > labs and research as you run into areas you are weak. Should you keep
> > > > going through all the labs or should you work on weak points between
> > > > each lab? I have a home lab which I access when on the road working
> > > > (5-days a week) so getting rack time is not the problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any advise is appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > >
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