From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sun Sep 12 2004 - 02:51:21 GMT-3
"They teach very little about the aspects of the technology that Cisco might
not have implemented..."
Interesting statement, but would anyone else be different? Or are you using
that concept to compare CCIE to a college degree? By the same token, a
collegiate setting may teach you all sorts of aspects of the technical
theory, which may be great, doesn't give you a lick of experience to help
you get your job!
Coupled with the fact that most college settings seem to be so far behind
the technical curve that everyone has to play some form of catch-up either
before or after graduation to position themselves appropriately.
I'm a bit confused by the bit about Cisco designing the CCIE to exclude
people. As in excluding folks who are experts on other platforms? Perhaps,
but so what? :) I wouldn't expect an enployer to interpolate my Cisco
experience and presume that I could configure a Nortel network to the same
degree. Technical concepts being similar, I'm reasonably sure I could do a
good job of it, but I would not comfortably consider myself to be an expert.
So who are they excluding? It's not Cisco's job to say someone is an expert
at OSPF. However, the CCIE is believed to be someone who contains
expert-level knowledge and the ability to implement OSPF within the
technical constructs of the Cisco IOS.
But getting back to my misunderstanding... So what? That's what I would
expect of any vendor certification.
Maybe it's just too early in the morning for my brain to be sufficiently
engaged yet. :)
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, CISSP,
JNCIP, et al.
IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
http://www.ipexpert.net
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:36 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Failed RS lab [7:92677]
At 9:11 AM -0400 9/11/04, Scott Morris wrote:
>Considering that many employers won't even look at a resume these days
>if you do not have a college degree of some sort on there, I would
>think that should be a primary goal to complete.
>
>Industry membership is nice. Notoriety certainly helps, but all it
>takes is one hard-nosed HR person to quash the hiring of the most
>experiences person by not being able to check off a required box of
>"college degree" or something like that.
True enough. But, Scott, perhaps I didn't make my point clear. I am not
arguing for or against degrees or certifications. I was arguing about two
specific points:
1. That Cisco deliberately designs the CCIE to exclude people
2. That the CCIE study process makes you learn "everything about a
technology or protocol."
The second point, to me, is more important. Effective Cisco studies teach
how to use Cisco implementations. They teach very little about the aspects
of the technology that Cisco might not have implemented, or about the
architecture and design decisions that went into developing the protocol or
technology.
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