From: john matijevic (matijevi@bellsouth.net)
Date: Sun Sep 05 2004 - 02:13:02 GMT-3
Jonathan,
I have done all the 6 labs and have read the entire book. I like it so
much that I have a forum on my website, and I am giving free rack access
for my rack that is cabled according to the book topology. The lab is
graded according to working configuration, and is done by a proctor. A
proctor wrote the new cisco press book, so it is the closest workbook
you can get on the market to the real exam. I recommend you try a sample
lab. As far as the grading goes, it is kept confidential, they want to
keep some parts confidential and I completely understand. I've also
heard that they use scripts, but I don't know the extent to which they
use these scripts. The reason from what I understand that they keep the
grading confidential, and again don't quote me on this, is because in
the past a few bad apples, meaning candidates would get a 79 and they
argued called upper management CEO about their score demanding that they
passed. I think that is part of why we have the mystery of the grading
today.
Sincerely,
John Matijevic, CCIE #13254, MCSE, CNE, CCEA
CEO
IgorTek Inc.
151 Crandon Blvd. #402
Key Biscayne, FL 33149
Hablo Espanol
305-321-6232
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan R. Charles
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:59 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Cisco Press: CCIE Routing and Switching Practice Labs
The real question to ask is:
How the hell is the lab graded?
I know they reboot and then run some type of autotester that checks
routing
tables and the like, but is the grading system results-based or
process-based?
So, if I accomplish the goals, and all my routing tables have all the
routes
they are supposed to (among other things), do I get the points?
If they say 'set up ____ between routers 3 and 4' do they mean ONLY 3
and 4,
necessitating an ACL to block others, for example? Or do they mean make
sure
3 and 4 do it, and it doesn't matter if routers 5, 6 and 8 can also do
it?
My greatest fear of the grading is that it is a simple text comparison
of
your configs and what the right Config is... So, if I do something a
little
differently, I get stomped.
I mentioned this in another thread, but how can I determine if I have
met
the requirements before I walk out? The last time I took the lab, I
walked
out convinced I had crushed it... (I was convinced wrongly).
It almost seems like a crapshoot (yeah, your Config worked, but it
wasn't
the method we were looking for, so no plaque for you).
Jonathan Charles
SBC
CCNP/CCDP, NNCSE, NNCSS, MCSE
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tim
Fewkes
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 23:51
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Cisco Press: CCIE Routing and Switching Practice Labs
Jonathan,
I love the book. I think I will end up getting more out of it than the
CCIE
practical studies. There are 6 labs, 3 based on a single 3550/8 router
topology, and 3 based on a double 3550/8 router topology. After each lab
there is an 'ask the proctor' section intended to give clues, which i
love,
and then an extensive debrief.
it also seems very much like the real thing to me (i have made 2
attempts),
and it is even co-written by maurilio de paula gorito, who was my
proctor in
san jose my first attempt. so the guy knows what you need to know in
order
to pass.
tim
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>
> My greatest stumbling block right now is not seeing realistic
scenarios. I
> have heard good and bad things about Cisco Press (one that Cisco
doesn't'
> really have anything to do with these books, so they are not going to
give
> you any info of any use. The other, from my own experience, that they
are
> the best out there (especially Doyle, Halabi Solie, Parkhurst (whose
OSPF
> and BGP command references are the greatest things since sliced bread,
when
> is he going to write one for IS-IS, EIGRP, and every other Cisco
topic???)
>
>
>
> Anyway, has anyone taken a look at the CP Practice Labs?
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> Jonathan Charles
>
> SBC
>
> CCNP/CCDP, NNCSE, NNCSS, MCSE
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