From: Brian McGahan (bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Fri Sep 03 2004 - 18:06:16 GMT-3
Hi John,
Now that you are an "instructor", I'm honestly surprised to see
that you think that pass rate of previous students will affect the
success of future ones. I have been in the CCIE training industry for a
number of years now, and have seen many methods (some more successful
than others) of preparation. From my experience the one thing I can
tell you for sure is that it's very naive of a student, instructor,
training company, or whoever to think that there is a foolproof solution
to passing the CCIE lab exam.
At Internetwork Expert we never have, and never will, advertise
a passing rate, or even dream of giving a guarantee that you will pass
the exam after going through our program. As it clearly states on our
website:
"Passing the CCIE lab requires a culmination of hands on real world
experience, countless hours of self study, instructor-led training, and
unrelenting determination. Despite what some companies may have you
believe there is no magic product out there that will make you pass the
CCIE lab. If what you are looking for is an easy way out to passing the
CCIE lab exam IEWB-RS [our workbook] is not for you."
What we at Internetwork Expert offer are simply tools for
candidates to use as stepping stones in their preparation to get their
level of knowledge to the point that they will pass the exam. In other
words, if the student devotes the time to learning and understanding the
technologies as expressed in our products, passing the CCIE lab exam
will come naturally. Apparently this "hard work" approach works, as
Internetwork Expert certifies more CCIEs than any other vendor on the
market.
For example, the class that you attended with us, Internetwork
Expert's CCIE Routing & Switching Mock Lab Workshop (IEW-RS), is
advertised as being "...designed for students to solidify their existing
knowledge, expose weaknesses, and fully prepare them as they lead up to
their CCIE R&S Lab Exam date. Students successfully completing this
course will be fully prepared for the CCIE Lab Exam." The key words in
this description are "existing knowledge" and "successfully completing
this course". In your case, both Brian Dennis and I explained to you at
the end of the week in a very nice way that you were not in fact ready
to take the lab exam. Subsequently, you took and failed the lab exam
the following week.
As an instructor it is not my job to placate students into
thinking that they understand a certain technology, or are ready for the
lab exam. By this accord, why would I falsely advertise a 100% passing
rate, or guarantee that you will pass the exam, when in reality the
majority of candidates I see are in fact NOT sufficiently prepared for
the exam. If they were then why would the failure rate of the exam be
so high? (roughly 75% of exam attempts result in failure). In previous
cases I have seen institutes where they did in fact falsely advertise a
100% passing rate, and guaranteed passing of the exam. Needless to say
this institute lost a LOT of money when it was SUED by many previous
students on the premise of false advertising, after they subsequently
failed the exam. If you think that ANY class can teach you all the
technologies needed to pass the lab exam in five days, you are sadly
mistaken.
I also have to question your notion that since you "have very
current CCIE only 3 months, and I took exam so many times, that I have
very good idea of what exam is about. I don't waste your time studying
material that won't be tested on". In other words what you're saying is
don't bother sorting through all those CONCEPTS, let's just go over the
questions that are on the actual exam. Well I have news for you John,
I've worked with many candidates have had DETAILED braindumps of the
actual exam they took, and still failed. You know why? Because they
still don't understand the technology. All they learned is how to
mindlessly put a configuration in, not unlike yourself from doing "over
200 labs" as you so often tout on the list.
Next, I'd like to address your claim that since some instructors
"got their ccie years ago" they are obsolete. Two individuals come to
mind when you mentioned this. You guessed it, Brian Dennis (CCIE #2210)
and Scott Morris (CCIE #4713). Brian Dennis is *THE* most brilliant
engineer I have ever met. Having his CCIE for nearly 10 years now, he
has passed three CCIE lab exams in less attempts than it took you to
achieve your one. Scott Morris is one of the select few engineers in
the world who has *FOUR* CCIEs. Sorry John, but your level of knowledge
pales in comparison to either of these individuals.
In conclusion John, I would suggest that you stop replying to
every post on the list with "oh yeah I used that product and it sucked,
but BTW you can attend my class via MSN messenger for a fraction of the
cost!" I for one am sick of all your negative comments and personal
attacks, as I'm sure many other people on this list are.
Sincerely,
Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> john matijevic
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph D. Phillips'; 'Eric Hoffman'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
>
> Hello Eric,
> Congratulations for passing the exam even though it took you 6 times.
I
> had to take the exam 5 times to pass. I had a similar experience to
you
> I had purchased several workbooks, but I attended more than 1 boot
camp.
> I attended Netmaster and Internetworkexpert mock lab workshop as well
as
> the IPexpert audio boot camp. Even though I did not attend
Cyscoexpert,
> I did research them and felt that they were really overcharging. And
> that they gave some students different prices than others, I don't
think
> that is fair to do to customers. Also the big problem is with the boot
> camps, is that they don't tell you what there passing rate is. This to
> me is very important factor, I want to know how many people pass after
> attending the boot camp. It is a shame that you have to fail so many
> times in order to pass like I did. I really can sympathize, the
problem
> with many of the boot camps out there and the workbook vendors is that
> they made there boot camp courses or workbooks years ago, and they got
> their ccie years ago(look at their CCIE numbers), so they try and
update
> their workbooks but the problem is that the original topologies, tasks
> etc, are still left over. Yes I purchased IPexpert as well, again my
> feelings are that those labs were originated years ago, and they did
not
> completely rewrite the entire book, even though they have now proctor
> guide and have several new labs. I am very proud to start my course,
> because I have very current CCIE only 3 months, and I took exam so
many
> times, that I have very good idea of what exam is about. I don't waste
> your time studying material that won't be tested on, and more
> importantly I am not going to overcharge you, like some of the other
> boot camps. Good Luck in your career endeavors as well!!!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Matijevic, CCIE #13254, MCSE, CNE, CCEA
> CEO
> IgorTek Inc.
> 151 Crandon Blvd. #402
> Key Biscayne, FL 33149
> Hablo Espanol
> 305-321-6232
> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Joseph D. Phillips
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:49 AM
> To: Eric Hoffman
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE # 13843
>
> Very good. Congratulations, from a boob that's flunked 4x. :)
>
>
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