From: micsoniu@telus.net
Date: Fri Sep 03 2004 - 17:11:05 GMT-3
So Wayne,
The more attempts the less valuable is the CCIE certification ?
I hope it's a joke ....
Quoting Wayne Lawson <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>:
> Ty,
>
> Thanks! - Have that SUCCESSFUL customer - now an IE - email
> success@ipexpert.com
> with his name, address and IE number - we'll get his free polo shirt out
> today!
>
> Thanks - Wayne
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: tycampbell@comcast.net
> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:31:21 -0400
> To: Wayne Lawson groupstudy@ipexpert.net
> Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
>
> > IPExpert rocks!!!...
> > Everything in the workbook was on the lab...actually the workbook was
> harder than the real lab. Oh...and I know at least one person that has passed
> the lab that hasn't told Wayne yet :-)
> > All he used was IPExpert....and he had less than 5 attempts...
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > > Wow John, nothing like earning your CCIE number (after 5 attempts) and
> then
> > > jumping
> > > right into the market like you're the king of the hill - all of this
> while
> > > passively cutting
> > > down established (and successful) vendors and CCIE's with lower
> numbers...
> > >
> > > Regarding your comments on our (IPexpert) products - I'd like you to try
> to
> > > explain to me
> > > how our workbook is outdated or irrelevant - as you seem to claim below.
> In
> > > case you
> > > weren't aware - the CCIE Lab did contain ISDN, Frame Relay, RIP and OSPF
> several
> > > years
> > > ago...(Actually you're probably aware....when did you begin your IE prep
> - and
> > > take your 1st
> > > attempt?). Some technologies and protocols remain the same while some
> change.
> > > There isn't
> > > and wasn't a need for us to rewrite our product - as you claim. People
> are
> > > using it today,
> > > and they're still successful - as you saw below - from this original
> post.
> > >
> > > Also, when and if you ever get more than a few students who attend your
> course
> > > - you'll
> > > realize that it becomes nearly impossible to track students. We have
> several
> > > hundred
> > > students who have attended our classes over the past year - and less than
> 15% of
> > > them
> > > report back to us, so the fact that you're trying to use a "success rate"
>
> > > formula just won't
> > > provide the needed feedback.
> > >
> > > Be careful who and where you run your mouth....a guy just starting out as
> a
> > > CCIE instructor,
> > > (again - after taking 5 attempts to pass) really doesn't rate enough to
> begin
> > > bashing
> > > established vendors with IE's on staff who are triple or quad certified.
> If you
> > > want to run
> > > and establish a successful business - do it with character and ethics.
> Don't
> > > cut down your
> > > competition on public newsgroups or mailing lists like some of these
> vendors do
> > > - earn your
> > > respect and keep your mouth shut - your work, products or services will
> speak
> > > for themselves.
> > > Spend the time, money and effort to establish a sales and marketing plan
> - quit
> > > using a public
> > > mailing list as your means of reaching customers. it's cheap and overdone
> on
> > > this newslist!
> > >
> > > Wayne Lawson
> > > President - IPexpert, Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: "john matijevic" matijevi@bellsouth.net
> > > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:56:56 -0400
> > > To: "'Joseph D. Phillips'" josephdphillips@fastmail.us
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> > >
> > > > Hello Eric,
> > > > Congratulations for passing the exam even though it took you 6 times. I
>
> > > > had to take the exam 5 times to pass. I had a similar experience to you
>
> > > > I had purchased several workbooks, but I attended more than 1 boot
> camp.
> > > > I attended Netmaster and Internetworkexpert mock lab workshop as well
> as
> > > > the IPexpert audio boot camp. Even though I did not attend Cyscoexpert,
>
> > > > I did research them and felt that they were really overcharging. And
> > > > that they gave some students different prices than others, I don't
> think
> > > > that is fair to do to customers. Also the big problem is with the boot
>
> > > > camps, is that they don't tell you what there passing rate is. This to
>
> > > > me is very important factor, I want to know how many people pass after
>
> > > > attending the boot camp. It is a shame that you have to fail so many
> > > > times in order to pass like I did. I really can sympathize, the problem
>
> > > > with many of the boot camps out there and the workbook vendors is that
>
> > > > they made there boot camp courses or workbooks years ago, and they got
>
> > > > their ccie years ago(look at their CCIE numbers), so they try and
> update
> > > > their workbooks but the problem is that the original topologies, tasks
>
> > > > etc, are still left over. Yes I purchased IPexpert as well, again my
> > > > feelings are that those labs were originated years ago, and they did
> not
> > > > completely rewrite the entire book, even though they have now proctor
> > > > guide and have several new labs. I am very proud to start my course,
> > > > because I have very current CCIE only 3 months, and I took exam so many
>
> > > > times, that I have very good idea of what exam is about. I don't waste
>
> > > > your time studying material that won't be tested on, and more
> > > > importantly I am not going to overcharge you, like some of the other
> > > > boot camps. Good Luck in your career endeavors as well!!!
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > John Matijevic, CCIE #13254, MCSE, CNE, CCEA
> > > > CEO
> > > > IgorTek Inc.
> > > > 151 Crandon Blvd. #402
> > > > Key Biscayne, FL 33149
> > > > Hablo Espanol
> > > > 305-321-6232
> > > > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>
> > > > Joseph D. Phillips
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:49 AM
> > > > To: Eric Hoffman
> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE # 13843
> > > >
> > > > Very good. Congratulations, from a boob that's flunked 4x. :)
> > > >
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