From: Joe Deleonardo (JoeDeleonardo@cox.net)
Date: Thu Sep 02 2004 - 11:10:48 GMT-3
Well good for you. Congratulations. Really. Maybe they finally woke up and
figured out how much they were screwing themselves over.
I hope it doesn't change for you. Really.
I have about ten good friends that still work their. I think it's amazing
they gave you a whole rack when they won't even pay a friends passed CCIE
lab. That's why my friend won't even give his number to them. He's going to
get more work, more responsibility and no more pay.
But you guys must work for a good part of the organization. I suppose even
the worst things in the world can have their good parts.
I'm going to pass along your message about the full rack. Maybe he can
finally cash in. He's been there seven years.
Take care,
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan R. Charles" <jrcdehc@ameritech.net>
To: "'BROWNE, KEN (AIT)'" <kb8632@sbc.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: SBC Pre-Sales Engineering Position Open - Northern Virginia
> Same here, I love SBC, my job is cool as hell, I get to flex my brain
> constantly during the day, and I have found the company to be nothing but
> supportive with my own career/certification goals (they even gave me a
> rack
> of equipment to study with when I passed my CCIE Written).
>
> Then again, I am relatively new (been working for them for a few months),
> but I work for AADS, and it is one of the best jobs I have ever had.
>
> Every job is what you make it. I have found that most of the people that
> are
> dissatisfied with their jobs feel that way because they don't care about
> them. It is your responsibility to make your job your own, and to make
> yourself indispensable to the company. Not the other way around.
>
> BTW, the job sounds kind of cool, but I am pretty happy where I am (both
> geographically and career-wise). Is this an SBCLD thing (being outside
> Ameritech/MOKA-T/SWB area?)
>
>
>
> Jonathan Charles
> CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, NNCSE, NNCSS, A+
> Data Services Engineer
> SBC Data Services Customer Care (ASI, AADS)
>
> PS: I am not going to post my SUITSID, Ken, if you want to contact me
> directly, look me up in phone.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> BROWNE, KEN (AIT)
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:54
> To: Georg Pauwen; JoeDeleonardo@cox.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: SBC Pre-Sales Engineering Position Open - Northern Virginia
>
> It sounds like Joe has had the opposite experience that I've had at SBC.
> I work 40 hours a week, get trained, SBC put me through an MBA program,
> paid for my certifications, and didn't lay me off. I'm glad I didn't
> work for Joe's organization at SBC! Thanks. Ken.
>
> Ken Browne
> Systems Engineering Manager
> CCNP, CCDP
> SBC Advanced Enterprise Solutions Engineering
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Georg Pauwen [mailto:pauwen@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:50 AM
> To: JoeDeleonardo@cox.net; BROWNE, KEN (AIT); ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: SBC Pre-Sales Engineering Position Open - Northern Virginia
>
>
> Sounds like a description of the average IT job these days...
>
>
>>From: "Joe Deleonardo" <JoeDeleonardo@cox.net>
>>Reply-To: "Joe Deleonardo" <JoeDeleonardo@cox.net>
>>To: "BROWNE, KEN (AIT)" <kb8632@sbc.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>Subject: Re: SBC Pre-Sales Engineering Position Open - Northern
> Virginia
>>Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:37:39 -0700
>>
>>Well since we're going off topic. I worked for SBC for 5 years. You
> will
>>never experience more bullshit and corporate politics in your life.
> Then
>>after 5 years of service you can expect to be laid off when the economy
>
>>gets shaky... even though you may have stayed when other job offers
> were
>>better during better economic times, you may have worked 70-80 hours
> per
>>week on salary and may have sacrificed your education and time with
> your
>>family for the company.
>>
>>Bitter? You're dam right! Everyone out there just remember SBC doesn't
> care
>>about you. They care about their bottom line. Concentrate on your
> family
>>first, then your CCIE [education is your future], then your job.
>>
>>CCIE 12391
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "BROWNE, KEN (AIT)" <kb8632@sbc.com>
>>To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:02 AM
>>Subject: SBC Pre-Sales Engineering Position Open - Northern Virginia
>>
>>
>>>Hi Everybody:
>>>
>>>SBC, a fortune 25 company, is seeking a Cisco-centric pre-sales
>>>engineer in the Northern Virginia, Baltimore, Sterling area. High
> pay,
>>>retirement program, matching 401k, long term full time employment,
> very
>>>stable company, medical, dental, vision, disability, life insurance.
>>>This position is for a CCNP/DP type, with strong Cisco technical
> skills.
>>>Minimal travel locally. In this position, you will work with SBC
>>>Advanced Enterprise Solutions sales teams to design solutions within
> the
>>>Cisco, Sniffer, Juniper, and various vendor's enterprise environments.
>>>You will see every type of equipment, and be involved in some of the
>>>largest enterprise networks in Northern Virginia. Additionally, SBC
>>>pays for, and deeply encourages training and certification. All
>>>inquiries are treated with strict confidentiality. If you have
>>>interest, please contact me via email at kb8632@sbc.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ken Browne
>>>Systems Engineering Manager
>>>CCNP, CCDP
>>>SBC Advanced Enterprise Solutions Engineering
>>>
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