From: Cisco Nuts (cisconuts@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Aug 30 2004 - 17:23:07 GMT-3
Not a prob...Richard!!
I was shocked to read your first email but.........anyways.....!!
Yeah, check out The Big Brian's Labs and their awesome R&S class!!
After taking their R&S class I have been doing their Labs for 6 months
now and..
Believe me, they will break you down !! :-(
Kind regards.......
>From: Richard Dumoulin <Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr> >Reply-To: Richard
Dumoulin <Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr> >To: "'Cisco Nuts'"
<cisconuts@hotmail.com> >CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com >Subject: RE : RE :
RE : Cisco Press Routing and Switchling Lab book >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004
21:08:07 +0100 > >Hehe, then sorry for my bad understanding of the
English. My apologies Cisco >Nuts, > >--Richard > >-----Message
d'origine----- >De : samccie2004@yahoo.co.uk
[mailto:samccie2004@yahoo.co.uk] >Envoyi : Monday, August 30, 2004 10:01
PM >@ : Richard Dumoulin; 'Cisco Nuts' >Cc : ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Objet : RE: RE : RE : Cisco Press Routing and Switchling Lab book > >Hi
Richard and group > > >I think that was a compliment! to say that the
labs were so hard and >demanding. >I did Brian's 5 days mock labs, we all
hated the last one cos it made >some of us realise how unprepared we
were. > >Truth is sometimes painful, but I would rather have that then
waste >$1250. > >Regards > >Sam > >-----Original Message----- >From:
nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Richard Dumoulin >Sent: 30 August 2004 21:51 >To: Cisco Nuts >Cc:
ccielab@groupstudy.com >Subject: RE : RE : Cisco Press Routing and
Switchling Lab book > >Cisco Nuts, > >We are here to give opinions,
advices ... and I really don't see any >reason >for your lack of respect,
> >--Richard > >-----Message d'origine----- >De : Cisco Nuts
[mailto:cisconuts@hotmail.com] >Envoyi : Monday, August 30, 2004 9:06 PM
>@ : bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com >Cc : ccielab@groupstudy.com >Objet
: RE: RE : Cisco Press Routing and Switchling Lab book > >Very well
said...Sir!! > >Your labs definitely teach you to do just that and your
R&S class too... > >I hate your labs... BTW.....they have broken me down
- mentally and >physically :-) > >As Brian Dennis appropriately said: >
>1. Fall back to the BASICS !!!! > >2. What is the default ?? > >These 2
principles is something I will live with for a very long time - >CCIE or
NOT !! > >Sincerely... > > >From: "Brian McGahan"
<bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com> >Reply-To: >"Brian McGahan"
<bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com> >To: "Thomas Larus" ><tlarus@cox.net>,
<ccielab@groupstudy.com> >Subject: RE: RE : Cisco >Press >Routing and
Switchling Lab book >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:00:57 -0400 > > > I
disagree. Putting configuration statements there just for the >sake >of
it shows a lack of understanding of the technology. With this >logic
>why not just put all commands in and see what happens? > > This is the
>same case of trying to apply general rules to >configuration, like
>always >use loopback peerings in BGP or always use >the no peer
neighbor-route >command. While there certainly are >appropriate cases
for these >configurations, the key to passing the lab >is to understand
the WHY of >using them. > > > >Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 >
>bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com > >Internetwork Expert, Inc. >
>http://www.InternetworkExpert.com >Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705 >
>Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705 >24/7 Support:
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>http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/ > > > > -----Original
>Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf >Of > > Thomas Larus > > Sent:
>Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:56 PM > > To: john matijevic; 'Richard
>Dumoulin'; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > Subject: Re: RE : Cisco Press
>Routing and Switchling Lab book > > > > John and Richard: > > > > Having
>the broadcast keyword at the end of all of your frame relay map > >
>statements is "bad form," but it is not necessarily a bad thing, > >
>altogether. > > > > Richard was one of the technical reviewers for my
>new >book, along with >Joe > > Rothstein, and you can imagine how
helpful it >was for these two >network > > engineers to work through the
scenarios >with their keen eye for >detail. > > Both Richard and Joe
noticed that I >had used "broadcast" where it was >not > > needed, and
since they both >mentioned this, I improved my config files >by > >
removing "broadcast" >where it was not needed. Thus, I confess to >being
> > one > > of those >practice scenario writers who, left to his own
devices, would >put > > >"broadcast" on frame relay map statements where
it is not needed, and > > > >would > > also engage in many other acts of
"overconfiguration." I >firmly >stand >by > > most of my
overconfiguration, but I recongnize that this >particular >bit of > >
"overconfiguration" or "bad form" can make one >look bad. > > > > Still,
there is something to to be said for this kind >of > > overconfiguration.
> > If you do it this way, you do not have to >worry about making a
mistake >and > > leaving off the broadcast keyword >where it is
needed. What if you are > > configuring your frame relay >cloud in the
Lab exam, and you try to be > > careful about putting >"broadcast" only
where it is needed, but you are >not > > quite careful >enough, for you
leave it off the DLCI that really needed >it? > > It is >very easy to
make this sort of mistake, and it is a mistake that > > >could > > really
cause practical problems. > > > > It does not take much >imagination to
see how a mistake like this could > > cause > > you to >lose many points
and much time. > > > > All in all, it may actually be >safer to
overconfigure, and have >something > > in > > your configs that >reeks of
"bad form." > > > > I am not a proctor, so I cannot be certain >that
there might not be a > > downside to this sort of "bad form" or
>"overconfiguration." Perhaps >some > > picky proctor would look at this
>sort of overconfiguration and say, >"this > > candidate's use of the
>'broadcast' keyword where it is not needed >suggests > > to me that the
>candidate may not fully understand what is going on >here." > > However,
>what I have read of Cisco's official word on the Lab exam > > suggests >
> > that the Lab is graded largely on practical results. Sometimes I >
>think > > that > > real world "good form" and "best practices" are
>largely incompatible >with > > the world of CCIE lab preparation. > > >
> > >Best regards, > > > > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 > > Author of the CCIE
>Warm-Up e-books from www.ipexpert.com, and also >"Basic > > Cisco
>Secuirty Exercises for Pix Firewall, IOS Firewall, and Access > >
>Control > > > Server," at http://www.lulu.com/content/59374 > > > > > >
----- >Original Message ----- > > From: "john matijevic"
><matijevi@bellsouth.net> > > To: "'Richard Dumoulin'"
><Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr>; > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > > Sent:
>Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:26 PM > > Subject: RE: RE : Cisco Press
>Routing >and Switchling Lab book > > > > > > > Hello Richard, > > > I
have >configured with and without the broadcast keyword as you have > > >
>mentioned. I really have not noticed a difference. One could argue >that
> > > > it uses unnecessary bandwidth in the real world. However, there
>are > > > many lab vendor books that due use the broadcast keyword. The
>point > > > being is that this book has so many valuable tools and
>lessons >learned. > > > I think by going through the labs and going
>through the entire book, >you > > > will find that it is of the highest
>quality. There are other minor > > > errors with the book, I was just
>making overall assessment when I >posted > > > this email. Again, I
>really love this book. I think it is the best > > > resource available,
>and if you need rack time I am offering my rack >and > > > forum area
>for >support. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > John Matijevic, CCIE
#13254, >MCSE, CNE, CCEA > > > CEO > > > IgorTek Inc. > > > 151 Crandon
Blvd. >#402 > > > > Key Biscayne, FL 33149 > > > Hablo Espanol > > >
305-321-6232 > > > > >http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE > > > > > > >
> > -----Original >Message----- > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf >Of > > > Richard Dumoulin > >
> > >Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:52 AM > > > To: john matijevic;
>ccielab@groupstudy.com > > > Subject: RE : Cisco Press Routing and
>Switchling Lab book > > > > > > One thing I have noticed is that the
>author configure "broadcast" in >the > > > frame-relay map's between
>spokes in a frame-relay hub and spoke > > > scenario. > > > I am not
>sure >this is good practice and we all know that broadcasts >are > > >
not > > > > forwarded by the hub and it therefore does not make sense, >
> > > > > >--Richard > > > > > > > > > >
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