From: joshua lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Aug 30 2004 - 15:38:29 GMT-3
I guess I have bad form, I overconfigure too much. I guess I really like
this stuff, I think it's fun. I'm trying to cut down but I'm finding it
difficult. Now that this has been brought to light I'm going to change my
ways :)
josh "I'm almost there" Lauer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
To: "Thomas Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: RE : Cisco Press Routing and Switchling Lab book
> I disagree. Putting configuration statements there just for the
> sake of it shows a lack of understanding of the technology. With this
> logic why not just put all commands in and see what happens?
>
> This is the same case of trying to apply general rules to
> configuration, like always use loopback peerings in BGP or always use
> the no peer neighbor-route command. While there certainly are
> appropriate cases for these configurations, the key to passing the lab
> is to understand the WHY of using them.
>
>
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Thomas Larus
> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:56 PM
> > To: john matijevic; 'Richard Dumoulin'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: RE : Cisco Press Routing and Switchling Lab book
> >
> > John and Richard:
> >
> > Having the broadcast keyword at the end of all of your frame relay map
> > statements is "bad form," but it is not necessarily a bad thing,
> > altogether.
> >
> > Richard was one of the technical reviewers for my new book, along with
> Joe
> > Rothstein, and you can imagine how helpful it was for these two
> network
> > engineers to work through the scenarios with their keen eye for
> detail.
> > Both Richard and Joe noticed that I had used "broadcast" where it was
> not
> > needed, and since they both mentioned this, I improved my config files
> by
> > removing "broadcast" where it was not needed. Thus, I confess to
> being
> > one
> > of those practice scenario writers who, left to his own devices, would
> put
> > "broadcast" on frame relay map statements where it is not needed, and
> > would
> > also engage in many other acts of "overconfiguration." I firmly stand
> by
> > most of my overconfiguration, but I recongnize that this particular
> bit of
> > "overconfiguration" or "bad form" can make one look bad.
> >
> > Still, there is something to to be said for this kind of
> > overconfiguration.
> > If you do it this way, you do not have to worry about making a mistake
> and
> > leaving off the broadcast keyword where it is needed. What if you are
> > configuring your frame relay cloud in the Lab exam, and you try to be
> > careful about putting "broadcast" only where it is needed, but you are
> not
> > quite careful enough, for you leave it off the DLCI that really needed
> it?
> > It is very easy to make this sort of mistake, and it is a mistake that
> > could
> > really cause practical problems.
> >
> > It does not take much imagination to see how a mistake like this could
> > cause
> > you to lose many points and much time.
> >
> > All in all, it may actually be safer to overconfigure, and have
> something
> > in
> > your configs that reeks of "bad form."
> >
> > I am not a proctor, so I cannot be certain that there might not be a
> > downside to this sort of "bad form" or "overconfiguration." Perhaps
> some
> > picky proctor would look at this sort of overconfiguration and say,
> "this
> > candidate's use of the 'broadcast' keyword where it is not needed
> suggests
> > to me that the candidate may not fully understand what is going on
> here."
> > However, what I have read of Cisco's official word on the Lab exam
> > suggests
> > that the Lab is graded largely on practical results. Sometimes I
> think
> > that
> > real world "good form" and "best practices" are largely incompatible
> with
> > the world of CCIE lab preparation.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> > Author of the CCIE Warm-Up e-books from www.ipexpert.com, and also
> "Basic
> > Cisco Secuirty Exercises for Pix Firewall, IOS Firewall, and Access
> > Control
> > Server," at http://www.lulu.com/content/59374
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "john matijevic" <matijevi@bellsouth.net>
> > To: "'Richard Dumoulin'" <Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr>;
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: RE : Cisco Press Routing and Switchling Lab book
> >
> >
> > > Hello Richard,
> > > I have configured with and without the broadcast keyword as you have
> > > mentioned. I really have not noticed a difference. One could argue
> that
> > > it uses unnecessary bandwidth in the real world. However, there are
> > > many lab vendor books that due use the broadcast keyword. The point
> > > being is that this book has so many valuable tools and lessons
> learned.
> > > I think by going through the labs and going through the entire book,
> you
> > > will find that it is of the highest quality. There are other minor
> > > errors with the book, I was just making overall assessment when I
> posted
> > > this email. Again, I really love this book. I think it is the best
> > > resource available, and if you need rack time I am offering my rack
> and
> > > forum area for support.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > John Matijevic, CCIE #13254, MCSE, CNE, CCEA
> > > CEO
> > > IgorTek Inc.
> > > 151 Crandon Blvd. #402
> > > Key Biscayne, FL 33149
> > > Hablo Espanol
> > > 305-321-6232
> > > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Richard Dumoulin
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:52 AM
> > > To: john matijevic; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE : Cisco Press Routing and Switchling Lab book
> > >
> > > One thing I have noticed is that the author configure "broadcast" in
> the
> > > frame-relay map's between spokes in a frame-relay hub and spoke
> > > scenario.
> > > I am not sure this is good practice and we all know that broadcasts
> are
> > > not
> > > forwarded by the hub and it therefore does not make sense,
> > >
> > > --Richard
> > >
> > >
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