From: Howard C. Berkowitz (hcb@gettcomm.com)
Date: Tue Aug 03 2004 - 14:35:30 GMT-3
At 12:21 PM -0400 8/3/04, Scott Morris wrote:
>The motivation is a way to relieve boredom, but also (for consulting
>opportunities) to find a quick and easy way to demonstrate some proficiency
>with certain things like MPLS. I'm not sure what others find, but there's
>only so much one is "allowed" to talk about things they have done which may
>be for one client's competition. So short of a consultant making things up
>that sound real good which have never been done and can't be legally
>verified, the exam is a good place to start.
In the SP world, another avenue -- an important one -- is
participation in free things like the North American Network
Operators Group (NANOG), which can be mailing list participation
only. There are various "forums" for specific broadband
technologies, but they tend to require paid membership.
At least participating in some of the IETF mailing lists is also a
good way to get known. These are lists, however, where you want to
lurk a bit first before posting -- it can be embarrassing to correct
the person that happened to invent the protocol in question. In
general, these are places to comment rather than ask questions,
although draft authors usually are quite open to hearing when
something is unclear -- especially when you offer alternative wording.
>
>Just my opinion and little ramblings, of course...
>
>But you are correct, SP's don't exactly purchase through resellers. Maybe
>that's why there are so few out there. Although, by similar counts, the
>Juniper certification program at the high levels is looking slim likely for
>the same reasoning. As more consulting companies start withing with SP's
>though, I think that will start to change more to become a measuring stick.
>It's the whole outsourcing thing and how far it goes I suppose...
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Howard C. Berkowitz
>Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:55 AM
>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Re: Service Provider: Which Track?
>
>At 8:53 AM -0500 8/3/04, Peasah, Richard Kwame wrote:
>>Gang,
>>
>>Which of the SP track (Optical, DSL, Dial, Cable, WAN Switching, or IP
>>Telephony) will you recommend? Let the debate begin :-)
>>
>
>Unfortunately, the SP certification suffers from the problem of people that
>have an elephant in their dining room but are too polite to mention it:
>none of the SP certifications go into real-world depth and understanding of
>BGP, and quite likely MPLS.
>
>Of the tracks, all but IP telephony (and maybe WAN switching, but that's a
>declining area of interest with MPLS and GMPLS) are methods of providing
>broadband end user access. Cisco is far less dominant in this area than it
>is in ISP routing (yes, even with the growth of Juniper in that segment).
>
>The usual incentive for a company to have R&S certified CCIEs is that it's a
>reseller and it gets better discounts from Cisco. SPs rarely buy through
>resellers (e.g., the Cisco Powered Network program).
>
>So as a serious question, what advantage to people see to getting a SP
>certification? It doesn't address the topics of most interest to ISPs,
>although it is much stronger with broadband access providers or dial access
>providers. What is the motivation?
>
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