From: Chad Hintz (ChadHin@clientlogic.com)
Date: Tue Jul 20 2004 - 20:57:47 GMT-3
Thanks for the info. It is much appreciated.
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Prab Kalra
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:37 PM
To: Howard C. Berkowitz; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT:MGX training
check with Skyline computers.. they have a couple of MGX classes.
www.skylinecomputer.com
rds.-Prab
At 03:01 PM 7/20/2004 -0400, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
>At 2:18 PM -0400 7/20/04, Chad Hintz wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>>Sorry for the OT but my company has deployed MGX overseas and needs me to
do
>>support on it but I cannot find any non-onsite training for these. Any
help
>>would be much appreciated.
>
>Unfortunately, you are not likely to find it. I qualified as an MGX
>instructor some years ago, although there wasn't much business demand for
>it and I only taught a couple of classes. In general, it is unrealistic
>to have other than onsite classes -- too much extremely expensive
>equipment is involved. IIRC, the last lab I used, at Cisco, had five MGX,
>six BPX, and assorted other gear. Complicating the problem is that you
>need to have lots of spare boards -- it is possible, for example, to get
>firmware upgrades out of sequence, and wind up with a BPX processor board
>that has to be reset at the factory.
>
>On the one occasion we were able to do a class at the customer premises,
>it was a one-time situation where a customer had bought a significant
>number of MGX and BPX switches, and had them shipped to their corporate
>headquarters. Even there, it took a week or so to set them up as a
>lab. Once the company put them into service, all subsequent training
>either was on-the-job or at Cisco. Learning partners typically do not
>have their own equipment, but rent a lab at Cisco.
>
>Unfortunately, there isn't complete compatibility among the command sets
>of the xGX products. I'd have to look at the manual to remember the exact
>syntax, but on one box, the command to show all trunks was something like
>shtrks all, where on the other, it was shtrk *. If you just have MGX,
>fine. But if you have BPX or other boxes, you really need some of each.
>
>I don't see any reason why the courses coudn't be distance learning, with
>someone physically at the lab site to change boards, etc. As far as I
>know, no one offers that. Cisco does increasingly do its in-house training
>via distance learning [1], so you might talk to your account team and see
>if there is any way to get into an internal class.
>
>[1] A slight rant, but I believe that the practice of having the routers,
>etc.,
> in the same room as the students, unless it is a hardware maintenance
> course, is a very bad way to learn. Being able to look at the lights
> and such is not realistic in a real world of networking, where the
> majority of equipment will physically be remote.
>
> Unfortunately, while it is cheaper and a better way to learn to have
> just PCs in a classroom, connected to the equipment through reverse
> telnet (and SNMP, etc., where appropriate), the commercial reality in
> the training business is that students give higher ratings to
> courses that have equipment they can touch. You can't touch it if
> it's on another continent, you can't touch it if it's in the CCIE lab,
> etc., but there is this distorting emotional need to have things to
> touch.
>
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