From: Joe Deleonardo (JoeDeleonardo@cox.net)
Date: Wed Jul 14 2004 - 11:12:52 GMT-3
Hi Fernando,
I took it in San Jose - the R&S, Tom was the proctor. Maurillio was off at
Networks... some place I should have spent my money instead maybe? ;) This
is a very expensive process when you don't have anyone helping you. I'd love
to get a job where my employer supported this. Even if it was only for them
pay when I pass. Heck at this point I'd settle for emotional support. They
don't understand what this is, when I talk about it, it's the instant dear
in headlights look. But no one down here in San Diego is hiring. I'm
considering moving to find a better job when I eventually pass this second
one. In my current job the senior engineer is on a power trip. Everything
there is his toy and no one is allowed to play. The most I get to play with
these days is AD and Exchange. Help end users, etc. I look at it this way,
it provides money for the CCIE machine and no stress so that I can get this
done. I did manage to get a look at the configs at my job. They're bad
enough for a proctor to instantly fail. ;) Heck you might actually hear a
proctor scream if he looked at them. I don't really want his job, it's a
simple little network that is not going to scale well when they grow. But
there's nothing I can do about it. Just the suggestion of hard coding the
switch and pix port setting to a hard coded speed was dismissed.
I re-registered for next month in RTP. I figure I'd try a change of scenery.
Maybe by the time I get to my quad-CCIE I will have visited all of the world
labs... several times over. ;)
Have a good one!
Joe
CCIE Security-12391
-----Original Message-----
From: Fernando Rodriguez [mailto:fernanrl@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:15 AM
To: Joe Deleonardo; Joe_Deleonardo@hotmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Internetwork Experts CCIE Routing & Switching Lab Workbook
Don4t worry Joe, you didn4t offend me. Further more, I
appreciate your words (and I hope many other people
do). It is true that without work and long hours of
study there is noway that you can pass the lab.
So you went there yesterday. Which lab did you try to
take...Voice, R/S? I see you have security already...
Where did you take your lab?
Regards,
Fernando
--- Joe Deleonardo <JoeDeleonardo@cox.net> escribis: >
Oh I hope I didn't offend you when I said that. I
> understood what you meant.
> I was just trying to say everyone's different and an
> individual - what I
> require to do to pass may be twice what you require
> to pass.
>
> I went through the Hello Computers lab book all of
> them. I went to the
> HelloComputers bootcamp, then failed the lab last
> month.
>
> I bought Internetwork Experts book, I went through
> all 20 labs, understood
> everything. I do think it's a great book.
>
> Today (er - yesterday - haven't gone to sleep yet) I
> took the lab and all I
> can say was that this was most difficult test I've
> ever taken in my life.
> The only word to describe it is, vicious. I've just
> never seen so many
> obscure topics, with so many restrictions as to how
> you can and can't do
> things, with very specific out come requirements. I
> got through the lab, but
> didn't have enough time to go back over the whole
> thing to look for errors
> or to go back to what I had skipped.
>
> It's not like I didn't prepare. My notes only had
> one thing in them that I
> had forgotten a detail about. One little detail out
> of the whole lab is not
> bad. What was so different was the level of
> complexity and depth. This lab
> made my last R&S lab look like an absolute piece of
> cake. I wasn't alone -
> other candidates on the way out were all in shock.
> It was a brand new lab -
> you could tell because all the plastic was shiny and
> the paper was printer
> fresh. Maybe they'll make adjustments to it when
> they see just how hard
> people see this lab to be. I know Cisco wants to
> make this difficult. Heck,
> I want Cisco to make this difficult. But if they
> make it impossible then who
> will want to even risk their money.
>
> I really feel that if Cisco wanted to make another
> level up beyond the CCIE
> this test today would have been a good candidate.
> You know what they could
> do is have CCIE's that recertify on paper only and
> CCIE's that recertify in
> the lab.... maybe at a reduced cost to the CCIE. We
> all know this technology
> changes... what? Every 6-12 months there's a new
> major IOS revision. I doubt
> all CCIEs really keep up with it.
>
> All I wish is that the lab would be more real world.
> I think that would make
> the CCIE much more valuable. Some of the
> requirements I read today made me
> think right away, "why would you ever want to do
> that!" There's just so
> many ways to do things and just because I know every
> trivial pursuit type
> command/method doesn't necessarily make me a better
> engineer.
>
> I feel at a loss at this point. My only idea at this
> point is to do what
> some body else posted on this board - read through
> all of the Cisco
> Documentation and try to learn the important details
> that I'm missing.
>
> OK well, blah, blah, blah, just blowing off steam
> and frustration.
>
> Good luck to you!
>
> Joe
> CCIE Security 12391
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Fernando Rodriguez
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:38 AM
> To: Joe_Deleonardo@hotmail.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Internetwork Experts CCIE Routing &
> Switching Lab Workbook
>
> Hi Joe and everyone,
>
> I can tell you this is not a shortcut. I have been
> studying a lot during a long while, attended
> bootcamp,
> reviewed everything and went for the lab...and
> failed.
> What I4m looking for is a book that provides me with
> similar challenges to the lab and give me a clear
> explanation on why things are done in a certain way
> and not other. I have some time to study at work and
> have also a work-lab to "play" with...but no VoIP
> nor
> ATM but I can always mess around with customers
> routers and, should something go wrong, blame on
> Cisco
> IOS new features being developed hehehe
>
> So no, I am not looking a shortcut...I am just
> trying
> to easy the pain of this long path.
>
> ...and yes, you are right...I can not afford "a
> proctor" but if all of us put a small amount
> of..."peanuts" we could get our "Groupstudy
> proctor"...just a naughty thought hehehe
>
> Regards,
>
> Fernando
>
> --- Joe Deleonardo <JoeDeleonardo@cox.net> escribis:
> >
> That really all depends on you. Everyone learns at
> > different speeds. You
> > also have to take into account your real life
> > experience, etc.
> >
> > Internetwork Experts book is great, but it's not a
> > short cut. No book out
> > there is a short cut. Don't kid yourself, there
> is
> > absolutely no way to
> > short cut the CCIE... well short of paying a
> proctor
> > more money then any of
> > us probably have to just pass you. But if you had
> > that much money why bother
> > with the CCIE? ;)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Fernando Rodriguez
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:30 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Internetwork Experts CCIE Routing &
> > Switching Lab Workbook
> >
> > Hi all again,
> > I4m about to purchase the aforementioned book. I
> was
> > thinking about how long I would need in normal
> > circunstances to have a good look at it and
> practice
> > enough in order to finish it and book my lab.
> > Thanks as always,
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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