From: John Underhill (stepnwlf@magma.ca)
Date: Sun Jun 20 2004 - 23:14:39 GMT-3
Hmmn.. telling someone not to talk about software that is supposed to be a
company 'secret', and revealing that fact to the whole world in the
process.. seems like this fits into the definition of irony to me..
I do find it interesting though, that you would focus in with such a narrow
view of a much more substantial discussion, and in fact, avoid the key
points, which have nothing to do with IOU..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'John Underhill'" <stepnwlf@magma.ca>; "'Xiangrong Wang'"
<xiangrow@cisco.com>; "'Ashok M A (aananda)'" <aananda@cisco.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:33 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco IOU
> Irony is defined as "incongruity between what might be expected and what
> actually occurs", or "the use of words to express something different from
> and often opposite to their literal meaning."
>
> I don't see much ironic about his post, or about the existence of IOU.
IOU
> is a deliberate testing platform within Cisco internally. The fact that
the
> public knows about it is beside the point. There are many cool things
that
> the NSA has that we may "know" about. That doesn't make it ironic, nor
does
> it mean you have any right to use them.
>
> IOU was designed for certain testing concepts, and those concepts only.
As
> Xiangrong points out (ironic that you missed it?) the IOU is missing many
> key features and interfaces that make it all but impossible to use for
CCIE
> testing. So the question becomes: Having read this part, what makes you
> desire this tool? What do you think you could accomplish with it?
>
> Could you use a Sparc box to create a huge OSPF domain? Absolutely! Will
> this help you with your CCIE lab? Sure, in a limited sort of way (what?
> 8-12 points for IGP OSPF?) Will it help you with your Voice? No. Will
it
> help you with ISDN? No. Will it help you with ATM? No. Will it help
you
> with a 3550? No. Do you need to have it? No. Does it give Cisco
> "insiders" an edge for the CCIE lab? Absolutely not, other than testing
> certain topics within certain parameters. Hardly seems worthwhile IMHO.
>
> But certainly does not fit the definition of "ironic", nor interfere with
> customer loyalty or ease of deployment. While I would love to be able to
> call Microsoft (or any other company you substitute) and demand that they
> give me access to internal tools to "ease" my life and "enhance" my
loyalty,
> I don't see it happening.
>
> Ask Alanis Morrisette about irony. She has a decent song about it. And
> Cisco isn't mentioned once. ;)
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
John
> Underhill
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 4:07 PM
> To: Xiangrong Wang; Ashok M A (aananda)
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Cisco IOU
>
> Witness: this is what is known as a 'clear cut case of irony'.
> By deciding to respond to the group address, you realize of course, that
you
> have violated that same policy? All kidding aside..
> I have always felt that it would serve the best interests of your company
to
> make more resources available to CCIE candidates. Say, some subset of the
> learning tools that are available to channel partners, could also be
> available to those that have passed the qualification exam. You have to
look
> at it in terms of investing company resources in those that are so clearly
> committed to investing in you. This is a symbiotic relationship, many of
the
> engineers that are committed to learning the nuances of your products, are
> also the same people who effect purchasing decisions within their
respective
> companies, and by better facilitating the learning process, you are in
turn
> both insuring product loyalty, and nurturing a culture of qualified
> engineers. There are many technologies tested in the curriculum, that are
> simply too expensive for the average student to afford, and I can only
> imagine the tremendous sacrifices made by people studying for this exam in
> the third world. So when I hear of something like IOU, it does upset me..
I
> understand the potential impact if it were freely distributed, but I also
> wonder if the current process could to be made 'less exclusive' and cost
> prohibitive by providing a free, limited access to some of these
> technologies. It seems to me that the more engineers that are able to
> embrace the CCIE curriculum unencumbered by financial constraints, the
> greater the number of people with the required product knowledge needed to
> effectively install, maintain, and distribute your products..
> Just my 2 cents.. I have to dig through my change jar now for cigarette
> money, as I spent my entire paycheck on a voice module..
>
> cheers
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Xiangrong Wang" <xiangrow@cisco.com>
> To: "Ashok M A (aananda)" <aananda@cisco.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Cisco IOU
>
>
> > Hi Ashok,
> >
> > Cisco IOS on Unix is a tool intended for internal use only. Distribution
> of
> > IOU images to customers or external persons, or discussion of IOU with
> > customers or external persons, is prohibited.
> >
> > As a Cisco employee, you should follow the rules strictly, and
discussion
> > of this topic here may harm the study group as well. If you need help on
> > using IOU, please send your questions to internal mail alias.
> > BTW, due to the limited support of interface on IOU, you still need real
> > routers to
> > prepare for the IE lab.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Xiangrong
> >
> > At 09:17 PM 06/18/04 +0530, Ashok M A \(aananda\) wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >It would be great if you could provide me some link and help pages on
> Cisco
> > >IOU.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Ashok
> > >
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