From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sun Jun 20 2004 - 22:33:08 GMT-3
Irony is defined as "incongruity between what might be expected and what
actually occurs", or "the use of words to express something different from
and often opposite to their literal meaning."
I don't see much ironic about his post, or about the existence of IOU. IOU
is a deliberate testing platform within Cisco internally. The fact that the
public knows about it is beside the point. There are many cool things that
the NSA has that we may "know" about. That doesn't make it ironic, nor does
it mean you have any right to use them.
IOU was designed for certain testing concepts, and those concepts only. As
Xiangrong points out (ironic that you missed it?) the IOU is missing many
key features and interfaces that make it all but impossible to use for CCIE
testing. So the question becomes: Having read this part, what makes you
desire this tool? What do you think you could accomplish with it?
Could you use a Sparc box to create a huge OSPF domain? Absolutely! Will
this help you with your CCIE lab? Sure, in a limited sort of way (what?
8-12 points for IGP OSPF?) Will it help you with your Voice? No. Will it
help you with ISDN? No. Will it help you with ATM? No. Will it help you
with a 3550? No. Do you need to have it? No. Does it give Cisco
"insiders" an edge for the CCIE lab? Absolutely not, other than testing
certain topics within certain parameters. Hardly seems worthwhile IMHO.
But certainly does not fit the definition of "ironic", nor interfere with
customer loyalty or ease of deployment. While I would love to be able to
call Microsoft (or any other company you substitute) and demand that they
give me access to internal tools to "ease" my life and "enhance" my loyalty,
I don't see it happening.
Ask Alanis Morrisette about irony. She has a decent song about it. And
Cisco isn't mentioned once. ;)
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of John
Underhill
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 4:07 PM
To: Xiangrong Wang; Ashok M A (aananda)
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Cisco IOU
Witness: this is what is known as a 'clear cut case of irony'.
By deciding to respond to the group address, you realize of course, that you
have violated that same policy? All kidding aside..
I have always felt that it would serve the best interests of your company to
make more resources available to CCIE candidates. Say, some subset of the
learning tools that are available to channel partners, could also be
available to those that have passed the qualification exam. You have to look
at it in terms of investing company resources in those that are so clearly
committed to investing in you. This is a symbiotic relationship, many of the
engineers that are committed to learning the nuances of your products, are
also the same people who effect purchasing decisions within their respective
companies, and by better facilitating the learning process, you are in turn
both insuring product loyalty, and nurturing a culture of qualified
engineers. There are many technologies tested in the curriculum, that are
simply too expensive for the average student to afford, and I can only
imagine the tremendous sacrifices made by people studying for this exam in
the third world. So when I hear of something like IOU, it does upset me.. I
understand the potential impact if it were freely distributed, but I also
wonder if the current process could to be made 'less exclusive' and cost
prohibitive by providing a free, limited access to some of these
technologies. It seems to me that the more engineers that are able to
embrace the CCIE curriculum unencumbered by financial constraints, the
greater the number of people with the required product knowledge needed to
effectively install, maintain, and distribute your products..
Just my 2 cents.. I have to dig through my change jar now for cigarette
money, as I spent my entire paycheck on a voice module..
cheers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Xiangrong Wang" <xiangrow@cisco.com>
To: "Ashok M A (aananda)" <aananda@cisco.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Cisco IOU
> Hi Ashok,
>
> Cisco IOS on Unix is a tool intended for internal use only. Distribution
of
> IOU images to customers or external persons, or discussion of IOU with
> customers or external persons, is prohibited.
>
> As a Cisco employee, you should follow the rules strictly, and discussion
> of this topic here may harm the study group as well. If you need help on
> using IOU, please send your questions to internal mail alias.
> BTW, due to the limited support of interface on IOU, you still need real
> routers to
> prepare for the IE lab.
>
> thanks,
> Xiangrong
>
> At 09:17 PM 06/18/04 +0530, Ashok M A \(aananda\) wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >It would be great if you could provide me some link and help pages on
Cisco
> >IOU.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Ashok
> >
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