From: Yasser Aly (yasser.aly@noorgroup.net)
Date: Sun Jun 20 2004 - 18:52:28 GMT-3
Hi John,
You really stroke my nerves with your statement
" There are many technologies tested in the curriculum, that are simply too
expensive for the average student to afford, and I can only imagine the
tremendous sacrifices made by people studying for this exam in the third
world."
Each time I see a post from someone in the rich countries complaining that
CCIE is an expensive certificate I start to laugh. If you think that CCIE is
an expensive goal to reach while you get $4000 on average as a salary,
imagine how it could be the picture when your salary worth like $1000 in the
country you live at.
Adding to the picture that beside the exam costs there exists the traveling
costs - which will be very expensive incase of third world countries as it
will be a long distance trips -, adding to it a minimum stay of like 5 days
before returning back to have a good deal in your air ticket price you can
imagine how bad it is.
Adding to this an endless list of lab preparation costs from routers,
workbooks, and bootcamps. It turns at the end to be a HUGE amount of money
with respect to the local currency of the country of origin.
It is another one of the unfair games played in this world that we have to
get along with.
Someone of those who do a tremendous financial sacrifice to get the title :)
Cheers,
Yasser
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of John
Underhill
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:07 PM
To: Xiangrong Wang; Ashok M A (aananda)
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Cisco IOU
Witness: this is what is known as a 'clear cut case of irony'.
By deciding to respond to the group address, you realize of course, that you
have violated that same policy? All kidding aside..
I have always felt that it would serve the best interests of your company to
make more resources available to CCIE candidates. Say, some subset of the
learning tools that are available to channel partners, could also be
available to those that have passed the qualification exam. You have to look
at it in terms of investing company resources in those that are so clearly
committed to investing in you. This is a symbiotic relationship, many of the
engineers that are committed to learning the nuances of your products, are
also the same people who effect purchasing decisions within their respective
companies, and by better facilitating the learning process, you are in turn
both insuring product loyalty, and nurturing a culture of qualified
engineers. There are many technologies tested in the curriculum, that are
simply too expensive for the average student to afford, and I can only
imagine the tremendous sacrifices made by people studying for this exam in
the third world. So when I hear of something like IOU, it does upset me.. I
understand the potential impact if it were freely distributed, but I also
wonder if the current process could to be made 'less exclusive' and cost
prohibitive by providing a free, limited access to some of these
technologies. It seems to me that the more engineers that are able to
embrace the CCIE curriculum unencumbered by financial constraints, the
greater the number of people with the required product knowledge needed to
effectively install, maintain, and distribute your products..
Just my 2 cents.. I have to dig through my change jar now for cigarette
money, as I spent my entire paycheck on a voice module..
cheers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Xiangrong Wang" <xiangrow@cisco.com>
To: "Ashok M A (aananda)" <aananda@cisco.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Cisco IOU
> Hi Ashok,
>
> Cisco IOS on Unix is a tool intended for internal use only. Distribution
of
> IOU images to customers or external persons, or discussion of IOU with
> customers or external persons, is prohibited.
>
> As a Cisco employee, you should follow the rules strictly, and discussion
> of this topic here may harm the study group as well. If you need help on
> using IOU, please send your questions to internal mail alias.
> BTW, due to the limited support of interface on IOU, you still need real
> routers to
> prepare for the IE lab.
>
> thanks,
> Xiangrong
>
> At 09:17 PM 06/18/04 +0530, Ashok M A \(aananda\) wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >It would be great if you could provide me some link and help pages on
Cisco
> >IOU.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Ashok
> >
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