From: Brian McGahan (bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Fri May 21 2004 - 18:38:49 GMT-3
Hi Patrick,
No, it's official. As of August 1st 2004 new 12.2T features
will be tested in the lab. The Internetwork Expert workbook was
designed on 12.2T, so these features are already integrated into
IEWB-RS. Also, you can download the first chapter of the IE workbook
below:
http://www.internetworkexpert.com/downloads/iewb-rs.sample.lab.pdf
HTH,
Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Patrick Torney
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:31 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: which workbook?
>
> Thanks everybody for all the excellent feedback on this workbook
thread.
>
> A followup, which itself will probably create a fork here, but, this
is
> the
> first I've heard of the lab changing... is that official or just
really
> good
> rumor mongering? Please ellaborate... Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Last" <packtmon@yahoo.com>
> To: "Jan K" <jan_k@verizon.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: which workbook?
>
>
> > Personally, I can't say anything about ccbootcamp's workbook.
Haven't
> seen it. But, if you're interested, I would just go to their web site
and
> see if they have a sample lab and Solution Guide for the sample lab.
If
> they do, then do the same with IE and compare.
> >
> > Then try to find out about their support. Believe me, nothing is
worse,
> nothing is more frustrating and nothing wastes more time than having a
> problem figuring out why something doesn't work and not being able to
get
> any help. That was the biggest problem with IPExpert. Their
"support"
> WASN'T. It was practically non-existent.
> >
> > And, because there were so many mistakes in their labs, having good
> support was all the more important and necessary.
> >
> > IPexpert claims that they can't support their products because they
have
> so many products and there just aren't enough qualified people
available
> to
> provide support. But, as far as I'm concerned, there product isn't
> complete
> if they support it. And, they charge so much for it as well. It's
> terrible.
> >
> > Then, if you're satisfied the product is good and the support will
be
> good, then compare prices and decides which workbook will give you the
> most
> bang for your buck.
> >
> > Then get to work. The lab is gonna change again on August 1st.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Jan K <jan_k@verizon.net> wrote:
> > I'm seeing all this talk about NMC, IPExpert and IE, but how about
> Network
> > Learning (ccbootcamp.com)? They were probably one of the first ones
out
> > there with a workbook a few years ago. Is the latest version (12.2)
> still
> > any good? How does it compare to the other three?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Tim Last"
> >
> >
> >
> > > Danny,
> > >
> > > I tend to agree with you as far as usually getting what you pay
for.
> > However, in this case, I think that common adage isn't true.
> > >
> > > I don't have first hand experience with the NMC workbook but about
a
> month
> > ago, when I was considering which workbook to get, I spoke to a
buddy of
> > mine (who is now a ccie after about 5 attempts) and asked him about
the
> NMC
> > workbook which he had purchased.
> > >
> > > (BTW, I had bought the IPExpert workbook and wasn't happy with
that
> for
> > several reasons. They were full of mistakes, they didn't include a
> Solution
> > Guide, and their support was almost non-existent)
> > >
> > > He told me he was disappointed with the NMC workbook for 2 primary
> > reasons:
> > >
> > > a) They had far too many mistakes and compared to the real lab
> > >
> > > b) They seemed to have an unrealistic focus on weird and
convoluted
> > redistribution problems.
> > >
> > > So, I got the IE workbook and it's fantastic. Based on my own
> experience
> > taking the real lab, IE's practice labs are very comparable in the
level
> of
> > difficulty of the real lab and the type of problems one can expect
to
> see,
> > Their Solution Guide is a work of ART, and there are very few errors
of
> any
> > sort. So far, I've only come across a few minor typo's but nothing
that
> > like the errors that were in the IPExpert workbook which had
busloads of
> > logic errors.
> > >
> > > In addition, IE's support site actually provides support. If you
take
> a
> > look at it, you'll see how often Brian McGahan (and sometimes Brian
> Dennis)
> > has responded to questions with answers that actually answer
people's
> > questions.
> > >
> > > Then, if you consider how much you'll learn compared to how much
you
> have
> > to invest, $200, I think it's the best deal available today by far.
> > >
> > > Again, I can't say anything about NMC from personal experience,
but
> having
> > suffered through the lack of support from IPExpert and the huge
volumes
> of
> > errors in their workbook, I can tell you, those 2 problems combined
make
> for
> > a horrorable experience. Remember that when someone is trying to
figure
> > stuff out and trying to master this technology, when there's a logic
> > problem, it's hard as hell to know, at first, if the problem is a
result
> of
> > not understanding the technology or how the commands actually work
or
> > because there are inconsistancies between the task you're trying to
do
> and
> > the solution.
> > >
> > > Then, if you add the fact that IPExpert doesn't provide decent
> support,
> > the result is that you end up wasting huge amounts of time and not
> learning
> > the material and understanding what the networking problems are and
what
> you
> > need to do to solve them.
> > >
> > > Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth.
> > >
> > > Tim
> >
> >
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