From: Brian Dennis (bdennis@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Fri May 21 2004 - 18:00:18 GMT-3
Edward,
We are currently in the process of moving all our products to
the web. In the next few weeks the electronic workbook and solutions
guide along with a few other new products will be available via the web.
You will have access to print the content yourself for offline viewing
(labs, solutions, configurations, show commands, etc).
We will also still offer our products in limited form via
Authentica for those people that want to view it offline without having
to print hundreds of pages but we envision that most will be happier
having it on the web ;-)
Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
Toll Free: 877-224-8987
Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Edward Kelly
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:16 PM
To: 'Tim Last'; 'Andaluz, Danilo'; 'Patrick Torney';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: which workbook?
...While I have to agree with everything that has been said about the
quality of the InternetworkExpert workbook, including it's excellent
solution guide, I regret that I chose the electronic version over the
hardcopy for the simple fact that the security mechanism used by the
electronic version can be a real pain to deal with...I use a Tecra S1
with a
gig of RAM to access the workbook, and even in "offline" mode it is
"resource greedy"...I pretty much have to use a second PC to work the
labs
while the workbook is open on my S1...I too highly recommend their
workbook
but strongly advise getting the hardcopy over the electronic version
unless
you have more than one PC available or are using the biggest, baddest P4
you
can find...
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tim
Last
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:56 PM
To: Andaluz, Danilo; Patrick Torney; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: which workbook?
Danny,
I tend to agree with you as far as usually getting what you pay for.
However, in this case, I think that common adage isn't true.
I don't have first hand experience with the NMC workbook but about a
month
ago, when I was considering which workbook to get, I spoke to a buddy of
mine (who is now a ccie after about 5 attempts) and asked him about the
NMC
workbook which he had purchased.
(BTW, I had bought the IPExpert workbook and wasn't happy with that for
several reasons. They were full of mistakes, they didn't include a
Solution
Guide, and their support was almost non-existent)
He told me he was disappointed with the NMC workbook for 2 primary
reasons:
a) They had far too many mistakes and compared to the real lab
b) They seemed to have an unrealistic focus on weird and convoluted
redistribution problems.
So, I got the IE workbook and it's fantastic. Based on my own
experience
taking the real lab, IE's practice labs are very comparable in the level
of
difficulty of the real lab and the type of problems one can expect to
see,
Their Solution Guide is a work of ART, and there are very few errors of
any
sort. So far, I've only come across a few minor typo's but nothing
that
like the errors that were in the IPExpert workbook which had busloads of
logic errors.
In addition, IE's support site actually provides support. If you take a
look at it, you'll see how often Brian McGahan (and sometimes Brian
Dennis)
has responded to questions with answers that actually answer people's
questions.
Then, if you consider how much you'll learn compared to how much you
have to
invest, $200, I think it's the best deal available today by far.
Again, I can't say anything about NMC from personal experience, but
having
suffered through the lack of support from IPExpert and the huge volumes
of
errors in their workbook, I can tell you, those 2 problems combined make
for
a horrorable experience. Remember that when someone is trying to figure
stuff out and trying to master this technology, when there's a logic
problem, it's hard as hell to know, at first, if the problem is a result
of
not understanding the technology or how the commands actually work or
because there are inconsistancies between the task you're trying to do
and
the solution.
Then, if you add the fact that IPExpert doesn't provide decent support,
the
result is that you end up wasting huge amounts of time and not learning
the
material and understanding what the networking problems are and what you
need to do to solve them.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth.
Tim
"Andaluz, Danilo" <danny.andaluz@hp.com> wrote:
Tim,
Without giving us a value as far as what so many dollars to spend
means, I
answered based on what I thought was the best book. I have seen some
of
Internetwork Experts book and I think its pretty good, but I like
NMCs
book a little more. Their book cost more, but they also add more to
support
their users. Let me also say that I am not affiliated with NMC at all,
just a customer.
I tend to believe that you get what you pay for.
Just my opinion.
Danny
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From: Tim Last [mailto:packtmon@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:13 PM
To: Andaluz, Danilo; Patrick Torney; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: which workbook?
Hey Danny,
Have you seen the IE workbook and Solution Guide? It's just $200
"Andaluz, Danilo" <danny.andaluz@hp.com> wrote:
I used NMC. I thought they were the best.
Danny
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Patrick Torney
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:34 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: which workbook?
Hi all:
I'd like to get the current pulse of the community on which workbook is
the
best? I've heard some good things about ipexpert v6 but that it also has
issues while I'm hearing glowing things about netmaster's "do it"
workbook?
What about Internetwork Expert vs. these?
Help!!! I've only got so many $$$ to spend and want them to count. Any
advice
would be most appreciated.
Thanks.
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