From: Tim Last (packtmon@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri May 21 2004 - 17:45:57 GMT-3
Yeah, I probably should have mentioned it. The electronic version is free but the hardcopy costs about $130 for printing and shipping. I just bit the bullet and bought the hard copy cause I can't stand to study from a monitor screen, so I avoided those issues altogether.
But, even so, $200 for the workbook plus another $130 if you go for the hardcopy of Solution Guide (it's about 800 pages of great lab prep insights). That's still the best deal around today.
Those other workbook companies (especially IPExpert) could learn a great deal about the importance of quality from IE and what a difference quality makes in the learning experience for us ccie candidates.
Ricardo Ferreira <ricardo.ferreira@quadcomm.com.br> wrote:
They have to do their e-version hard to protect their rights but
unfortunately this is what we all have to pay for.
Let's assume the content is premium and control our anxiety and wait for
Fedex to drop the hardcopy. Will amke our lives easier...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Kelly"
To: "'Tim Last'"
; "'Andaluz, Danilo'"
; "'Patrick Torney'"
;
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: RE: which workbook?
> ...While I have to agree with everything that has been said about the
> quality of the InternetworkExpert workbook, including it's excellent
> solution guide, I regret that I chose the electronic version over the
> hardcopy for the simple fact that the security mechanism used by the
> electronic version can be a real pain to deal with...I use a Tecra S1 with
a
> gig of RAM to access the workbook, and even in "offline" mode it is
> "resource greedy"...I pretty much have to use a second PC to work the labs
> while the workbook is open on my S1...I too highly recommend their
workbook
> but strongly advise getting the hardcopy over the electronic version
unless
> you have more than one PC available or are using the biggest, baddest P4
you
> can find...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tim
> Last
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:56 PM
> To: Andaluz, Danilo; Patrick Torney; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: which workbook?
>
> Danny,
>
> I tend to agree with you as far as usually getting what you pay for.
> However, in this case, I think that common adage isn't true.
>
> I don't have first hand experience with the NMC workbook but about a month
> ago, when I was considering which workbook to get, I spoke to a buddy of
> mine (who is now a ccie after about 5 attempts) and asked him about the
NMC
> workbook which he had purchased.
>
> (BTW, I had bought the IPExpert workbook and wasn't happy with that for
> several reasons. They were full of mistakes, they didn't include a
Solution
> Guide, and their support was almost non-existent)
>
> He told me he was disappointed with the NMC workbook for 2 primary
reasons:
>
> a) They had far too many mistakes and compared to the real lab
>
> b) They seemed to have an unrealistic focus on weird and convoluted
> redistribution problems.
>
> So, I got the IE workbook and it's fantastic. Based on my own experience
> taking the real lab, IE's practice labs are very comparable in the level
of
> difficulty of the real lab and the type of problems one can expect to see,
> Their Solution Guide is a work of ART, and there are very few errors of
any
> sort. So far, I've only come across a few minor typo's but nothing that
> like the errors that were in the IPExpert workbook which had busloads of
> logic errors.
>
> In addition, IE's support site actually provides support. If you take a
> look at it, you'll see how often Brian McGahan (and sometimes Brian
Dennis)
> has responded to questions with answers that actually answer people's
> questions.
>
> Then, if you consider how much you'll learn compared to how much you have
to
> invest, $200, I think it's the best deal available today by far.
>
> Again, I can't say anything about NMC from personal experience, but having
> suffered through the lack of support from IPExpert and the huge volumes of
> errors in their workbook, I can tell you, those 2 problems combined make
for
> a horrorable experience. Remember that when someone is trying to figure
> stuff out and trying to master this technology, when there's a logic
> problem, it's hard as hell to know, at first, if the problem is a result
of
> not understanding the technology or how the commands actually work or
> because there are inconsistancies between the task you're trying to do and
> the solution.
>
> Then, if you add the fact that IPExpert doesn't provide decent support,
the
> result is that you end up wasting huge amounts of time and not learning
the
> material and understanding what the networking problems are and what you
> need to do to solve them.
>
> Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> "Andaluz, Danilo" wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> Without giving us a value as far as what so many dollars to spend means,
I
> answered based on what I thought was the best book. I have seen some of
> Internetwork Experts book and I think its pretty good, but I like NMCs
> book a little more. Their book cost more, but they also add more to
support
> their users. Let me also say that I am not affiliated with NMC at all,
> just a customer.
>
>
>
> I tend to believe that you get what you pay for.
>
>
>
> Just my opinion.
>
>
>
> Danny
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> From: Tim Last [mailto:packtmon@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:13 PM
> To: Andaluz, Danilo; Patrick Torney; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: which workbook?
>
>
>
>
> Hey Danny,
>
>
>
>
>
> Have you seen the IE workbook and Solution Guide? It's just $200
>
> "Andaluz, Danilo" wrote:
>
>
> I used NMC. I thought they were the best.
>
> Danny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Patrick Torney
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:34 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: which workbook?
>
> Hi all:
>
> I'd like to get the current pulse of the community on which workbook is
> the
> best? I've heard some good things about ipexpert v6 but that it also has
> issues while I'm hearing glowing things about netmaster's "do it"
> workbook?
> What about Internetwork Expert vs. these?
>
> Help!!! I've only got so many $$$ to spend and want them to count. Any
> advice
> would be most appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
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