From: samccie2004@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Thu May 13 2004 - 16:19:15 GMT-3
No, I spent sometimes looking and hoping to find them, but no joy !
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Aldo
Sent: 13 May 2004 21:11
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: new lab blueprints
Has anyone found the new lab blueprints?
I went to the section mentioned, but only found the blueprint for written
exam
and the usual old content below:
Lab Exam Content
The Routing and Switching lab exam tests any feature that can be configured
on
the equipment and the IOS version shown above.
The protocols below have been removed from the lab exam content but may
remain
on the Routing and Switching written exam. (For a list of topics appearing
on
the written exam please review the Written Exam Blueprint.)
has anyone read the new blueprints? thanks!
--- "Robert H. Carpenter" <rcarpenter@exenet.com> wrote:
> Happy now.
>
> As per Cisco.
>
> "New Lab Blueprints Available
>
> 12 MAY 2004: For the first time, the CCIE program is publishing
> lab blueprints to assist candidates preparing for the challenging
> eight-hour lab exam. The hands-on lab, taken in addition to a two-hour
> written exam, distinguishes CCIE from other industry
> certifications. The blueprint is a detailed outline of topics likely to
> appear on the lab exam. The topics listed are guidelines and other
> relevant or related topics may also appear. In general, new product
> features become eligible for testing on CCIE lab exams six months after
> general release.
>
> CCIE lab blueprints can be found online by visiting CCIE Exam
> Overview and clicking on 'Preparing for the Lab Exam' for the specific
> track. "
>
>
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Brad Spencer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:50 PM
> To: 'Dmitry Volkov'; 'Scott Morris'; 'CCIE# 12388'; 'Church, Chuck';
> 'Teck PhrEAk!!'; groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> security@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
>
>
> As paying CCIE lab customers we need to see a well documented hardware
> and knowledge list that consistently matches CCIE lab preparation
> recommendations. Over generalizing or under generalizing the recommended
> preparation material is counterproductive and makes for unhappy CCIE
> customers.
>
> I have invested many thousands to be a Cisco aficionado, but I don't see
> myself being so diehard in recommending Cisco equipment if I ever fail
> any Cisco exam due to over generalized or under generalized Cisco test
> preparation material.
>
> I have only seen the CCSP tests so far and I found the preparation
> material to be fairly deep, enough to give me enough knowledge to figure
> things out in the field. The actual test questions I found were either
> too easy to be on the exam or were questions that did not belong on the
> exam based on the Cisco press study book - which I nearly memorize for
> each exam.
>
> Anyway, that is my experience and concerns with Cisco certs so far.
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Dmitry Volkov
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:35 PM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'CCIE# 12388'; 'Church, Chuck'; 'Teck PhrEAk!!';
> groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> security@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
>
> IDS and Conc were announced since Sept 29 2003. And it passed MANY
> months until they actually appeared (actually I don't know if it
> actually happened at all :) This was NOT fair game. People had to buy
> all this stuff despite it was not tested at all. I believe that CCIE
> Sec should know Conc and Appliance and It's right way that it's in the
> list know and year ago it was not in the hardware list. Nobody can know
> everything and if test includes something - it must be tested - in
> general. It perfectly reasonable that somebody gets some stuff on lab
> and somebody else - doesn't (like IDS on IOS or IDS on Linux), however
> it's not reasonable if it's listed but actually is never tested.
> Otherwise - why Lab equipment is listed on "Prepare for the Lab exam"
> page at all ?
>
> P.S. Despite I'm kind of grumpy here - I'm personally happy that I
> learned Conc and ids 4.1 :o)
>
>
> Dmitry
> R&S/Sec
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>
> > Scott Morris
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:56 AM
> > To: 'CCIE# 12388'; 'Church, Chuck'; 'Teck PhrEAk!!';
> > groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > security@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
> >
> >
> > Absolutely true! Look at the economics. :)
> >
> > I know it's been a while since anyone mentioned it, but these things
> > all fall into the category of "Anything is Fair Game"... Know it all!
> >
> > You may get a lab that doesn't have IDS. You may get a lab that has a
>
> > LOT of IDS. Do you know before you show up which lab you're getting?
>
> > No.
> >
> > In the R&S.... You may get DLSW, or you may not. You may have L3
> > stuff spread throughout your switches, you may have a simple L2
> > architecture. You
> > never know.
> >
> > Just like the Boy Scouts say... "Be Prepared"
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> > CISSP, JNCIP, et al.
> > IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
> > IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
> > http://www.ipexpert.net
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of CCIE# 12388
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:00 PM
> > To: Church, Chuck; Teck PhrEAk!!; groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Church, Chuck" <cchurch@wamnetgov.com>
> > To: "Teck PhrEAk!!" <phreakinphunk@hotmail.com>;
> > <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
> > <security@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:20 AM
> > Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
> >
> >
> > > Sumit,
> > >
> > > The NDA pretty much states that you're not allowed to describe
> > > anything you see or hear in the lab. Asking other people these
> > > questions is asking them to violate the NDA. Your best and
> > safest bet
> > > is to know everything on the blueprint/equipment list
> > inside and out.
> > > On the bright side, looks like you can get an IDS on EBAY
> > for about $350
> > > right now. VPN conc is around $1500. If you plan on reselling them
>
> > > when you're done, it's probably cheaper in the long run
> > than a wasted
> > > lab attempt.
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck Church
> > > Lead Design Engineer
> > > CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> > > Wam!Net Government Services - Design & Implementation Team 13665
> > > Dulles Technology Dr. Ste 250 Herndon, VA 20171
> > > Office: 703-480-2569
> > > Cell: 703-819-3495
> > > cchurch@wamnetgov.com
> > > PGP key:
> > >
> > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=cchurch%40
> > wamnetgov.
> > > com
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > > Teck PhrEAk!!
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:25 AM
> > > To: groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > > security@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
> > >
> > > Man!
> > >
> > > I dont see how asking for what topics to study for, for the exam is
> > > breaking the NDA?? Even if someone wants to ask a question with all
> > > the right
> > intentions
> > > and without crossing the line.....someone always brings up the NDA
> > > thingy........guilt??........maybe.
> > >
> > > Would you appear for an exam (costing $1250) not to mention
> > > international air tickets and accomodation and the oh! so expensive
> > > training/books and equipment rentals without knowing what to study??
>
> > > Without knowing all the topics covered??
> > >
> > > I WOULDNT....for me its in excess of $5000/attempt...have to travel
> > > half-way around the globe for an attempt.....and dont
> > expect to shock
> > > myself with hardware that i have never worked on before.
>
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