From: Brad Spencer (bradsp@outworks.net)
Date: Wed May 12 2004 - 15:50:17 GMT-3
As paying CCIE lab customers we need to see a well documented hardware and
knowledge list that consistently matches CCIE lab preparation
recommendations. Over generalizing or under generalizing the recommended
preparation material is counterproductive and makes for unhappy CCIE
customers.
I have invested many thousands to be a Cisco aficionado, but I don't see
myself being so diehard in recommending Cisco equipment if I ever fail any
Cisco exam due to over generalized or under generalized Cisco test
preparation material.
I have only seen the CCSP tests so far and I found the preparation material
to be fairly deep, enough to give me enough knowledge to figure things out
in the field. The actual test questions I found were either too easy to be
on the exam or were questions that did not belong on the exam based on the
Cisco press study book - which I nearly memorize for each exam.
Anyway, that is my experience and concerns with Cisco certs so far.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Dmitry Volkov
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:35 PM
To: 'Scott Morris'; 'CCIE# 12388'; 'Church, Chuck'; 'Teck PhrEAk!!';
groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
IDS and Conc were announced since Sept 29 2003. And it passed MANY months
until they actually appeared (actually I don't know if it actually happened
at all :)
This was NOT fair game. People had to buy all this stuff despite it was not
tested at all.
I believe that CCIE Sec should know Conc and Appliance and It's right way
that it's in the list know and year ago it was not in the hardware list.
Nobody can know everything and if test includes something - it must be
tested - in general. It perfectly reasonable that somebody gets some stuff
on lab and somebody else - doesn't (like IDS on IOS or IDS on Linux),
however it's not reasonable if it's listed but actually is never tested.
Otherwise - why Lab equipment is listed on "Prepare for the Lab exam" page
at all ?
P.S. Despite I'm kind of grumpy here - I'm personally happy that I learned
Conc and ids 4.1 :o)
Dmitry
R&S/Sec
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On
> Behalf Of Scott Morris
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:56 AM
> To: 'CCIE# 12388'; 'Church, Chuck'; 'Teck PhrEAk!!';
> groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> security@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
>
>
> Absolutely true! Look at the economics. :)
>
> I know it's been a while since anyone mentioned it, but these
> things all
> fall into the category of "Anything is Fair Game"... Know it all!
>
> You may get a lab that doesn't have IDS. You may get a lab
> that has a LOT
> of IDS. Do you know before you show up which lab you're getting? No.
>
> In the R&S.... You may get DLSW, or you may not. You may
> have L3 stuff
> spread throughout your switches, you may have a simple L2
> architecture. You
> never know.
>
> Just like the Boy Scouts say... "Be Prepared"
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713, CISSP,
> JNCIP, et al.
> IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
> IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
> http://www.ipexpert.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of
> CCIE# 12388
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:00 PM
> To: Church, Chuck; Teck PhrEAk!!; groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Church, Chuck" <cchurch@wamnetgov.com>
> To: "Teck PhrEAk!!" <phreakinphunk@hotmail.com>;
> <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
> <security@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:20 AM
> Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
>
>
> > Sumit,
> >
> > The NDA pretty much states that you're not allowed to describe
> > anything you see or hear in the lab. Asking other people these
> > questions is asking them to violate the NDA. Your best and
> safest bet
> > is to know everything on the blueprint/equipment list
> inside and out.
> > On the bright side, looks like you can get an IDS on EBAY
> for about $350
> > right now. VPN conc is around $1500. If you plan on reselling them
> > when you're done, it's probably cheaper in the long run
> than a wasted
> > lab attempt.
> >
> >
> > Chuck Church
> > Lead Design Engineer
> > CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> > Wam!Net Government Services - Design & Implementation Team
> > 13665 Dulles Technology Dr. Ste 250
> > Herndon, VA 20171
> > Office: 703-480-2569
> > Cell: 703-819-3495
> > cchurch@wamnetgov.com
> > PGP key:
> >
> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=cchurch%40
> wamnetgov.
> > com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf Of
> > Teck PhrEAk!!
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:25 AM
> > To: groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > security@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
> >
> > Man!
> >
> > I dont see how asking for what topics to study for, for the exam is
> > breaking the NDA??
> > Even if someone wants to ask a question with all the right
> intentions
> > and without crossing the line.....someone always brings up the NDA
> > thingy........guilt??........maybe.
> >
> > Would you appear for an exam (costing $1250) not to mention
> > international air tickets and accomodation and the oh! so expensive
> > training/books and equipment rentals without knowing what to study??
> > Without knowing all the topics covered??
> >
> > I WOULDNT....for me its in excess of $5000/attempt...have to travel
> > half-way around the globe for an attempt.....and dont
> expect to shock
> > myself with hardware that i have never worked on before.
> >
> > Sumit P. Ahuja
> > CCIE(R&S)#11125,CCDP,CCNP,RHCE,SCSA,MCSE,IBM e-Com CCIE Security
> > Candidate.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>
> > >Reply-To: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>
> > >To: "'Teck PhrEAk!!'" <phreakinphunk@hotmail.com>,
> > ><ccielab@groupstudy.com>, <security@groupstudy.com>
> > >Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes in Security Lab.
> > >Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 18:51:13 -0700
> > >
> > >I am certain that someone mentioned this the last time you asked.
> > >
> > >Please do not ask specifics about the lab. For someone
> that has taken
> > >the lab and answer you, it would be a violation of the NDA.
> > >
> > >If it is on the equipment list, then consider it in the lab.
> > >
> > >Tony Schaffran
> > >Network Analyst
> > >CCIE #11071
> > >CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > >NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > >
> > >www.cconlinelabs.com
> > >Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf Of
> >
> > >Teck PhrEAk!!
> > >Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:49 PM
> > >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
> > >Subject: VPN and IDS boxes in Security Lab.
> > >
> > >Does any one know if the VPN and the IDS boxes have been
> introduced in
> > >the Lab exam yet??
> > >
> > >I am getting conflicting reports bout this...so dont know
> to prepare
> > >for it or not. Also i dont have access to these boxes.
> > >
> > >On the Cisco web-site it DOES appear in the equipment list though.
> > >
> > >
> > >HAALLLLPPPP!!!!!
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