From: lodgikal . (lodgikal@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed May 12 2004 - 18:51:40 GMT-3
I hate to throw fuel on the fire, but Cisco doesn't HAVE to do anything for
you.
They are not only testing whether or not you can study for a test, they also
expect a little something called experience. If you have to spend thousands
of dollars to get every piece of equipment on the list, because you have
never touched any of it in a production environment, maybe you should stick
to the book tests. Cisco isn't forcing you to attempt this exam.
This is supposed to be an expert level security certification, not a test at
the end of a college course.
-jd
>From: "Brad Spencer" <bradsp@outworks.net>
>Reply-To: "Brad Spencer" <bradsp@outworks.net>
>To: "'Dmitry Volkov'" <dmitry.volkov@rogers.com>, "'Scott Morris'"
><swm@emanon.com>, "'CCIE# 12388'" <Nettable_walker@hotmail.com>,
> "'Church, Chuck'" <cchurch@wamnetgov.com>, "'Teck PhrEAk!!'"
><phreakinphunk@hotmail.com>, <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>,
><ccielab@groupstudy.com>, <security@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
>Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:50:17 -0400
>
>As paying CCIE lab customers we need to see a well documented hardware and
>knowledge list that consistently matches CCIE lab preparation
>recommendations. Over generalizing or under generalizing the recommended
>preparation material is counterproductive and makes for unhappy CCIE
>customers.
>
>I have invested many thousands to be a Cisco aficionado, but I don't see
>myself being so diehard in recommending Cisco equipment if I ever fail any
>Cisco exam due to over generalized or under generalized Cisco test
>preparation material.
>
>I have only seen the CCSP tests so far and I found the preparation material
>to be fairly deep, enough to give me enough knowledge to figure things out
>in the field. The actual test questions I found were either too easy to be
>on the exam or were questions that did not belong on the exam based on the
>Cisco press study book - which I nearly memorize for each exam.
>
>Anyway, that is my experience and concerns with Cisco certs so far.
>
>Brad
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Dmitry Volkov
>Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:35 PM
>To: 'Scott Morris'; 'CCIE# 12388'; 'Church, Chuck'; 'Teck PhrEAk!!';
>groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
>security@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
>
>IDS and Conc were announced since Sept 29 2003. And it passed MANY months
>until they actually appeared (actually I don't know if it actually happened
>at all :)
>This was NOT fair game. People had to buy all this stuff despite it was not
>tested at all.
>I believe that CCIE Sec should know Conc and Appliance and It's right way
>that it's in the list know and year ago it was not in the hardware list.
>Nobody can know everything and if test includes something - it must be
>tested - in general. It perfectly reasonable that somebody gets some stuff
>on lab and somebody else - doesn't (like IDS on IOS or IDS on Linux),
>however it's not reasonable if it's listed but actually is never tested.
>Otherwise - why Lab equipment is listed on "Prepare for the Lab exam" page
>at all ?
>
>P.S. Despite I'm kind of grumpy here - I'm personally happy that I learned
>Conc and ids 4.1 :o)
>
>
>Dmitry
>R&S/Sec
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On
> > Behalf Of Scott Morris
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:56 AM
> > To: 'CCIE# 12388'; 'Church, Chuck'; 'Teck PhrEAk!!';
> > groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > security@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
> >
> >
> > Absolutely true! Look at the economics. :)
> >
> > I know it's been a while since anyone mentioned it, but these
> > things all
> > fall into the category of "Anything is Fair Game"... Know it all!
> >
> > You may get a lab that doesn't have IDS. You may get a lab
> > that has a LOT
> > of IDS. Do you know before you show up which lab you're getting? No.
> >
> > In the R&S.... You may get DLSW, or you may not. You may
> > have L3 stuff
> > spread throughout your switches, you may have a simple L2
> > architecture. You
> > never know.
> >
> > Just like the Boy Scouts say... "Be Prepared"
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713, CISSP,
> > JNCIP, et al.
> > IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
> > IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
> > http://www.ipexpert.net
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > CCIE# 12388
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:00 PM
> > To: Church, Chuck; Teck PhrEAk!!; groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Church, Chuck" <cchurch@wamnetgov.com>
> > To: "Teck PhrEAk!!" <phreakinphunk@hotmail.com>;
> > <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
> > <security@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:20 AM
> > Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
> >
> >
> > > Sumit,
> > >
> > > The NDA pretty much states that you're not allowed to describe
> > > anything you see or hear in the lab. Asking other people these
> > > questions is asking them to violate the NDA. Your best and
> > safest bet
> > > is to know everything on the blueprint/equipment list
> > inside and out.
> > > On the bright side, looks like you can get an IDS on EBAY
> > for about $350
> > > right now. VPN conc is around $1500. If you plan on reselling them
> > > when you're done, it's probably cheaper in the long run
> > than a wasted
> > > lab attempt.
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck Church
> > > Lead Design Engineer
> > > CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> > > Wam!Net Government Services - Design & Implementation Team
> > > 13665 Dulles Technology Dr. Ste 250
> > > Herndon, VA 20171
> > > Office: 703-480-2569
> > > Cell: 703-819-3495
> > > cchurch@wamnetgov.com
> > > PGP key:
> > >
> > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=cchurch%40
> > wamnetgov.
> > > com
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > > Teck PhrEAk!!
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:25 AM
> > > To: groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > > security@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: VPN and IDS boxes!!!!
> > >
> > > Man!
> > >
> > > I dont see how asking for what topics to study for, for the exam is
> > > breaking the NDA??
> > > Even if someone wants to ask a question with all the right
> > intentions
> > > and without crossing the line.....someone always brings up the NDA
> > > thingy........guilt??........maybe.
> > >
> > > Would you appear for an exam (costing $1250) not to mention
> > > international air tickets and accomodation and the oh! so expensive
> > > training/books and equipment rentals without knowing what to study??
> > > Without knowing all the topics covered??
> > >
> > > I WOULDNT....for me its in excess of $5000/attempt...have to travel
> > > half-way around the globe for an attempt.....and dont
> > expect to shock
> > > myself with hardware that i have never worked on before.
> > >
> > > Sumit P. Ahuja
> > > CCIE(R&S)#11125,CCDP,CCNP,RHCE,SCSA,MCSE,IBM e-Com CCIE Security
> > > Candidate.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>
> > > >Reply-To: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>
> > > >To: "'Teck PhrEAk!!'" <phreakinphunk@hotmail.com>,
> > > ><ccielab@groupstudy.com>, <security@groupstudy.com>
> > > >Subject: RE: VPN and IDS boxes in Security Lab.
> > > >Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 18:51:13 -0700
> > > >
> > > >I am certain that someone mentioned this the last time you asked.
> > > >
> > > >Please do not ask specifics about the lab. For someone
> > that has taken
> > > >the lab and answer you, it would be a violation of the NDA.
> > > >
> > > >If it is on the equipment list, then consider it in the lab.
> > > >
> > > >Tony Schaffran
> > > >Network Analyst
> > > >CCIE #11071
> > > >CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > >NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > > >
> > > >www.cconlinelabs.com
> > > >Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > >
> > > >Teck PhrEAk!!
> > > >Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:49 PM
> > > >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
> > > >Subject: VPN and IDS boxes in Security Lab.
> > > >
> > > >Does any one know if the VPN and the IDS boxes have been
> > introduced in
> > > >the Lab exam yet??
> > > >
> > > >I am getting conflicting reports bout this...so dont know
> > to prepare
> > > >for it or not. Also i dont have access to these boxes.
> > > >
> > > >On the Cisco web-site it DOES appear in the equipment list though.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >HAALLLLPPPP!!!!!
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