From: Sam Munzani (sam@munzani.com)
Date: Fri Apr 02 2004 - 15:34:43 GMT-3
Wow!!!. If such fresh CCIE with such attitude is judging potential
candidates, I am sure they will not find right person.
Recently I had taken some interviews for potential candidates at my company.
I go through candidate resumes and ask questions based on their projects.
Once I came across a person who had 17 years or real hands on experience in
consulting world. Many impressive Optical & satellite communication
rollouts. I honestly told the guy that he would get bored at my company and
he agreed. Then I utilized rest of interview time listening him on a few of
his best projects and design desicions. I learned a lot from him in that
interview.
One other guy I came across had half page of publication list including 3
RFCs and many technical papers. He knew 12 programming/scripting languages.
I courteously sent him an e-mail that we would hire him in a heartbit but he
will definately get bored at support role. I still keep his resume and try
to use that as my goal.
Sam
> My VistaPrint Electronic Business CardI just thought I would throw out an
> experience I had yesterday. It was very unnerving and I wonder if others
have
> had similiar experiences. I have been in networking for better then 12
years
> but only got CCIE certified in the last year. I have had lots of
interviews
> throughout my carreer, most have had a technical aspect but I never felt
> uncomfortable in any of them until yesterday.
>
>
> Yesterday I walked away from an interview for a consulting position with a
> relatively large company that most people would know feeling almost as if
I
> had been attacked. The interview started with 2 people. The hiring manager
and
> another technical person. The technical person had some kind of attitude.
I
> wanted to just stop the interview and tell them that it didn't matter
about
> the job because there was no way in hell I could work with such an ass of
a
> person. This guy had an attitude that almost jumps out and rapes you. It
> wasn't until later that I found he was in fact a fresh CCIE (not that all
or
> in fact any fresh CCIE's are that way, most I have met are not), but it
might
> explain his attitude and his ability to remember all the details of those
> things you might need to know to pass the CCIE but have little relevance
in
> the day to day operations or design of a network and certainly the type of
> things that don't require memory retention for immediate retrival. Most
were
> the type of things that you can get from the router or lookup on CCO if
you
> need to or would get down to using the ? key.
>
>
> Anyway.... As the interview or "interogation" proceeded, 4 other network
guys
> came into the room. The focus of the entire interview was not my past
> experiences at all. I was not asked one question about my past experiences
or
> the successes listed on my resume. NOT ONE. That is how almost every
interview
> I have been in starts. Kind of an organizational fit, "what have you been
> doing lately" type of thing. Not this interview. From the very start it
was 2
> hours of trying to put me back through the CCIE. It was the most
ridiculous
> thing I have ever been through. It was at times unprofessional and rude.
It
> was very surprising coming from a company with such a reputation. A couple
of
> times the newly minted CCIE guy would make some snide remark or hmph or
> whatever. I really can't believe they perform interviews that way or even
let
> guy like that in the interview. I would think it would turn anyone away
from a
> job if they had to be working with that guy.
>
>
> The fact that I could not write out a full ios config for VPN on the
> whiteboard or confused some of the ios crypto command syntax with the pix
vpn
> command syntax and totally forgot about transform sets or that I could not
> recall where exactly a type 4 lsa was generated off the top my head in
front
> of a whiteboard in the middle of an interview was more important then the
fact
> that I had successfully rolled out several large VPN implementations, had
lead
> several large OSPF integrations and had successes and references to back
it up
> going back 12 years.
>
>
> I also was never asked if I had any questions about the job or the work
> environment. I was never asked if I had any questions at all. I can't
> immediatly recall any interview I have ever been in that lasted any
reasonable
> amount of time where I was not asked if there were any questions I had.
This
> interview, if you could call it that, lasted 2 hours and I was never asked
if
> I had any questions for them.....about the company, about the job nothing.
>
>
> It was just very wierd and unprofessional and didn't really seem to have
> anything to do with interviewing a job.
>
>
> After, I called the guy who set me up with the interview and he said that
the
> response was that I was strong in some areas and weak in others but they
all
> agreed I could do the task. I really don't understand how they arrived at
that
> conclusion. I don't think I would take the job unless the actual job
location
> is somewhere esle. It was a very unpleasant experience.
>
>
> No point to this really. I just have never really experienced anything
quite
> like that and wanted to tell the story. I have to believe it did have
> something to do with having the CCIE. In fact, toward the end of the
interview
> techy ass guy said something to the effect of "so you claim to be a big
Cisco
> guy, you even have the CCIE logo". I was so tired of this guy. My response
was
> "no I don't think I claim to be some big Cisco guy, why? Did I say that
> somewhere in my resume". Well, I guess sometimes you have to interview to
know
> where you dont want to work.
>
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