From: Veronica Timm (veronica@yorku.ca)
Date: Fri Apr 02 2004 - 13:25:29 GMT-3
Chris,
Consider yourself lucky to recognize the place you will choose NOT to
work before you accept the position.
Common human civility is in short supply in many professions.
(And it gets worst in bad economic times among otherwise civil people.)
As a professional you give a wry smile to these individuals and move on.
Veronica
Chris Larson wrote:
>My VistaPrint Electronic Business CardI just thought I would throw out an
>experience I had yesterday. It was very unnerving and I wonder if others have
>had similiar experiences. I have been in networking for better then 12 years
>but only got CCIE certified in the last year. I have had lots of interviews
>throughout my carreer, most have had a technical aspect but I never felt
>uncomfortable in any of them until yesterday.
>
>
>Yesterday I walked away from an interview for a consulting position with a
>relatively large company that most people would know feeling almost as if I
>had been attacked. The interview started with 2 people. The hiring manager and
>another technical person. The technical person had some kind of attitude. I
>wanted to just stop the interview and tell them that it didn't matter about
>the job because there was no way in hell I could work with such an ass of a
>person. This guy had an attitude that almost jumps out and rapes you. It
>wasn't until later that I found he was in fact a fresh CCIE (not that all or
>in fact any fresh CCIE's are that way, most I have met are not), but it might
>explain his attitude and his ability to remember all the details of those
>things you might need to know to pass the CCIE but have little relevance in
>the day to day operations or design of a network and certainly the type of
>things that don't require memory retention for immediate retrival. Most were
>the type of things that you can get from the router or lookup on CCO if you
>need to or would get down to using the ? key.
>
>
>Anyway.... As the interview or "interogation" proceeded, 4 other network guys
>came into the room. The focus of the entire interview was not my past
>experiences at all. I was not asked one question about my past experiences or
>the successes listed on my resume. NOT ONE. That is how almost every interview
>I have been in starts. Kind of an organizational fit, "what have you been
>doing lately" type of thing. Not this interview. From the very start it was 2
>hours of trying to put me back through the CCIE. It was the most ridiculous
>thing I have ever been through. It was at times unprofessional and rude. It
>was very surprising coming from a company with such a reputation. A couple of
>times the newly minted CCIE guy would make some snide remark or hmph or
>whatever. I really can't believe they perform interviews that way or even let
>guy like that in the interview. I would think it would turn anyone away from a
>job if they had to be working with that guy.
>
>
>The fact that I could not write out a full ios config for VPN on the
>whiteboard or confused some of the ios crypto command syntax with the pix vpn
>command syntax and totally forgot about transform sets or that I could not
>recall where exactly a type 4 lsa was generated off the top my head in front
>of a whiteboard in the middle of an interview was more important then the fact
>that I had successfully rolled out several large VPN implementations, had lead
>several large OSPF integrations and had successes and references to back it up
>going back 12 years.
>
>
>I also was never asked if I had any questions about the job or the work
>environment. I was never asked if I had any questions at all. I can't
>immediatly recall any interview I have ever been in that lasted any reasonable
>amount of time where I was not asked if there were any questions I had. This
>interview, if you could call it that, lasted 2 hours and I was never asked if
>I had any questions for them.....about the company, about the job nothing.
>
>
>It was just very wierd and unprofessional and didn't really seem to have
>anything to do with interviewing a job.
>
>
>After, I called the guy who set me up with the interview and he said that the
>response was that I was strong in some areas and weak in others but they all
>agreed I could do the task. I really don't understand how they arrived at that
>conclusion. I don't think I would take the job unless the actual job location
>is somewhere esle. It was a very unpleasant experience.
>
>
>No point to this really. I just have never really experienced anything quite
>like that and wanted to tell the story. I have to believe it did have
>something to do with having the CCIE. In fact, toward the end of the interview
>techy ass guy said something to the effect of "so you claim to be a big Cisco
>guy, you even have the CCIE logo". I was so tired of this guy. My response was
>"no I don't think I claim to be some big Cisco guy, why? Did I say that
>somewhere in my resume". Well, I guess sometimes you have to interview to know
>where you dont want to work.
>
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-- Veronica Timm Senior Network Specialist Network Operations York University Voice: (416) 736-2100 x.22682 Toronto, Ontario Fax: (416) 736-5701 Canada. M3J 1P3 Email: veronica@yorku.ca
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