From: Snow, Tim (timothy.snow@eds.com)
Date: Sun Mar 14 2004 - 23:34:06 GMT-3
Christopher,
Although some of the requests might seem odd upon initial glance, I think
preparing for and passing the lab is a very true test of real world
experience. How many networks have you walked into that were perfectly set
up, documented and ran flawlessly. I can't think of a single one,
therefore, some of the fixes that you say are "esoteric" or "inane" or are
"never seen in the real world" are the types of things that I and my team
deam with daily.
I guess that's what happens when you have an engineering team and an
implementation team of varying skill sets and then there are others that are
employed to piece it all together.
Cheers.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Christopher A. Jarosz
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 7:25 PM
To: Nick Guy; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Failed again.
Hi Nick !!!
Like you, I too have failed on several attempts. Cisco tests not so much
real world knowledge, but some of the more esoteric and inane situations
that you would never see in the real world.....
John F Kennedy said in a speech... "...we choose to do things not because
they are easy, but because they are hard..." Cisco made the exams
difficult in order to keep the certification as most prized unlike the MCSE
which is more common than not.
Do not despair or worse tell your self that you can't reach that goal. With
enough time, practice, and research you can reach your goal....take your
time !!!!
Good luck and please let us all know when its YOUR TIME to announce your
CCIE number !!!
chrisj
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Guy" <nickguy@semaphore.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Failed again.
> Hello,
> I want to start by throwing out the caveat that I just failed my 5th
> attempt at the lab. Just saying that makes me feel like a complete
> idiot but it is time to start facing the fact that I am not able to
> nail this exam easily. In my own defense I have to prepare for the
> lab on top of being a Dad and husband and running a network department
> for a small, sometimes struggling company. The caveat is there
> because I am fully aware of the fact that I could be accused of being
> a little bitter. I am in the state of shock one has after failing a
> lab and still deciding if I care enough to try it again.
> One thing I would strongly recommend against is spacing out
> attempts too far. Anyway it has not worked for me.
>
> Here are some of my opinions/beefs, for what they are worth good, bad
> and ugly
>
>
> The good,
>
> It is fair to say that the effort put into my CCIE prep has widened my
> knowledge to arenas that I do not encounter very often in a Network
> Engineering/Manager job. In some circumstances that additional
> knowledge has been useful for customers.
>
>
> The proctors are awesome.
>
> If I ever move to Mexico my knowledge of ISDN will be helpful... :-)
> (sorry, could not resist)
>
>
>
>
> The bad,
>
> For $1250 air fare and prep costs I deserve more than the less than
> thorough feedback I got. 15 minutes on the phone with a proctor would
> be invaluable.
>
> I think, and it is difficult to discuss this without violating NDA, it
> is wrong to develop testing to trip people up on obscure gotchas. It
> is lazy. Also, if Cisco is concerned about the Microsoftization of
> the credential this is the kind of stuff that will generate paper
> CCIE's
>
> On a similar note, while I can buy into the notion that to some degree
> creating networks that would never exist in the real world might be a
> reasonable measure of a candidate's handle on minutiae I fail to see
> how this prepares one for running and or designing networks. I
> reminds me of taking a British driving test after driving in the
> States for a while. I had to learn to drive like an amateur.
>
>
> The ugly:
>
> I am beginning to feel ripped off.
>
> When I pass the test I will ban myself from configuring GSR's. and
> confine myself to making little lans and data link switching people's
> netbios.
>
> As a group I think it is important to us all to view and value the
> test as an good measure of the kind of skills necessary to configure
> Cisco's equipment for our customers. It is I feel important though
> that as customers of what I am sure is one of Cisco's higher margin
> departments, that we apply our critical thinking skills to giving
> Cisco feedback about our experiences. I have done this using the
> feedback form already but for any of you that have used it, it feels
> about as interactive as the Internet over cable.
>
>
> It is my hope that I will lick my wounds and develop another strategy.
> Wanted to post this while I am still pissed off.
>
> Anyway that is my .02 please do not flame me too much.
>
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