From: McNeace, Roger (RMcNeace@ciena.com)
Date: Wed Mar 03 2004 - 11:06:18 GMT-3
I think its rather ironic that you would think that a mad rush of CCNP attempting the CCIE exam would cause a downward slide of the CCIE certification after 7 attempts. OBVIOUSLY the exam is difficult enough to discourage or weed out candidates. It took me four attempts to pass the exam, I began like you to think their was some Cisco conspiracy that is making the exam impossible to pass. Each time I took the exam I was more knowledgeable and became a better engineer just from the process. I used to joke that if I kept failing I would always be on top of my game. On my last attempt I was so well prepared that all the language seemed perfectly clear. If their were 2-3 ways to meet requirements the language clearly steered you to one of them. I would encourage you set grudges aside and continue to persevere. I will let this thread die now.
Ciena Corporation
Roger McNeace, CCIE #12777
Senior Network Engineer
-----Original Message-----
From: ihatecisco@att.net [mailto:ihatecisco@att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 6:25 PM
To: McNeace, Roger
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Your Next Step is CCIE [Cisco feeling the burn]
Obviously you don't understand the word obviously.
working on attempt #7 march 2004. I am sorry that I have trouble thinking
inside a box and trying to solve questions based on inference. Give me a
real problem, real people, and a router, and i'm your man. I also made
such a stink about the grading of the lab [75 points out of 100] exam that i
feel cheated out of based on their wording & grading, that i got 50% off my
next attempt.
Maybe i should introduce you to some of the people that have passed the lab
exam on their first time, and it takes an hour to get them to understand the
difference between a gigabit in network transmission, and a gigabyte in data
storage.
I beleive the test serves a valid purpose. But its a test, and subject to
the same problems inherent with testing.
I agree that most of the people that have passed their lab deserve it. But
the bottom line is that you know people get inside information. And people
are trying to pass the test, hence the reason for this study group.
Why doesn't cisco limit the CCIE examination to a standardized set of
information. As of know anything in the IOS command books is fair game. and
i would wager anything on their website/tac would be fair game as well.
The entire objective of the CCIE is:
Exams are the core of the CCIE program
Training is not the CCIE program objective. Rather, the focus is on
identifying those experts capable of understanding and navigating the
subtleties, intricacies and potential pitfalls inherent to end-to-end
networking. To become certified as a CCIE you must pass BOTH a written
qualification exam AND the corresponding hands-on lab exam in one of the
CCIE tracks.
Yes things need to change and be updated for technology. But picking some
obscurely documented feature/tac article to throw on a test gets really old
after a while. Especially for some of us that have jobs.
Get off your high horse & have a nice day.
----- Original Message -----
From: "McNeace, Roger" <RMcNeace@ciena.com>
To: "'Jason Graun'" <jgraun@comcast.net>; <ihatecisco@att.net>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: Your Next Step is CCIE [Cisco feeling the burn]
> Obiviuosly you guys have never actually taken the lab exam. I see nothing
wrong with Cisco promoting thier product and encouraging people to pursue
the CCIE. Only 3% of Cisco Certified peolple actually obtain the CCIE
level. It took me three years to get my number and I never saw a braindump
on the Internet for the lab exam. It still takes extreme dedication, time
and lots of $$$ to get the CCIE. Anyone who gets thier number deserves it,
the sky is not falling.
>
> Ciena Corporation
> Roger McNeace, CCIE #12777
> Senior Network Engineer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Graun [mailto:jgraun@comcast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:20 AM
> To: ihatecisco@att.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Your Next Step is CCIE [Cisco feeling the burn]
>
>
> This is such bullshit, if Cisco isn't careful the CCIE will become like
the
> MCSE (Must Call Someone Else) CCIE (Cisco Certifies Idiots Everyday). The
> CCIE should not be seen as a revenue generating part of Cisco. But
> hopefully Cisco stops the insanity or there will be nothing sacred and
holy
> left.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> ihatecisco@att.net
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:19 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: FW: Your Next Step is CCIE [Cisco feeling the burn]
>
> Looks like the certification value slide is starting to begin. Cisco
trying
> to get more people to start on the long road to CCIE.
>
> I will let anyone know if i find any coupons in this weekends paper.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccie-promo@cisco.com [mailto:ccie-promo@cisco.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:54 PM
> To: [ME]
> Subject: Your Next Step is CCIE
>
>
> Dear CCNP,
>
> With the economy poised for recovery, now is the time to strengthen your
> personal qualifications. Obtaining your CCIE. certification can provide
you
> with the edge you need to move your career to the next level.
>
> a.. Studying for the exams expands your technical knowledge.
> b.. Passing the lab gives you personal satisfaction.
> c.. Displaying your official CCIE number earns you the respect and
> admiration of colleagues and employers.
> Obtaining your CCNP was an important step in your career. Taking the next
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of
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> year.
> Schedule your written exam now and enter a drawing for free CCIE
self-study
> materials from Cisco Press. Preparation is key to success on the lab exam,
> and
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> Studies, a two-volume set from Cisco Press (a $150 value), is designed to
> help
> CCIE candidates prepare for the hands-on lab exam and supplies lab
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> for effective self-study.
>
> To qualify for the drawing, you must be a CCNP in good standing and
register
> and take a CCIE written exam (any track) before June 30, 2004. A passing
> score
> is not necessary to qualify. One two-volume set will be awarded to a
> qualified
> CCNP each month. Those not chosen will remain in the pool for drawings in
> subsequent months. Books will be shipped to winners after verification
that
> exam is complete. Cisco employees are not eligible for this offer.
>
> Need more?
>
> * CCIE was the most lucrative professional credential in 2003, according
to
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>
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>
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> Program" by Certification Magazine.
>
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> &
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exam.
> Details for entering the drawing are also available on the website at
> Special
> Offer for CCNPs.
>
> Mike Reid
> CCIE Program Manager
> Cisco Systems, Inc.
>
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