From: Church, Chuck (cchurch@wamnetgov.com)
Date: Fri Feb 27 2004 - 13:45:21 GMT-3
Resellers (like any other company/person in the sales business) can be sleazy as hell. I've been offered jobs in the past where they just wanted to use my number for a flat fee, like $1000/month. Never had to interview or ever do any work for them. They chickened out at the last minute though. Apparently if Cisco finds a reseller doing this, the penalties are harsh. Cisco really should put something in your profile to let you know if you're associated or not. The 'Company' listed doesn't always list the correct one that the channel people maintain.
Chuck Church
Lead Design Engineer
CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Dumoulin [mailto:richard.dumoulin@vanco.es]
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:19 AM
> To: ccie4u@myrealbox.com; Marko Berend; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> george_bethel@yahoo.com; robert.mccallum@thus.net;
> nkionlab@yahoo.co.uk
> Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
>
>
> I find it sad that companies hire numbers instead of persons !!
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: ccie4u@myrealbox.com [mailto:ccie4u@myrealbox.com]
> Enviado el: viernes, 27 de febrero de 2004 11:09
> Para: Marko Berend; ccielab@groupstudy.com; george_bethel@yahoo.com;
> robert.mccallum@thus.net; nkionlab@yahoo.co.uk
> Asunto: Re: CCIE # Association
>
>
> hi,
> I was working for non-cisco partner and cleared my CCIE lab
> exam, after
> clearing my lab I started giving interview at various places
> including Cisco
> Partners. One of the partner associated my CCIE number with
> their company
> and i did not came to know about this association for about 1
> month. when
> the Next new company I was going to join verified if my CCIE number is
> associated.
>
> when i enquired with the old company had associated my
> number without my
> permission, they
> dis-assciated my number. But to my Bad luck it took bit long
> time and new
> company had already employed
> another CCIE.
>
> I think Cisco should update their policy about CCIE number
> association and
> Candiated must be informed when his number is associated and
> dis-assciated.
>
> regards
> Harman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marko Berend" <marko.berend@storm.hr>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:22 PM
> Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
>
>
> > Very funny. Have you ever taken a lab exam before?
> >
> > I wonder if you will give up after your 3rd time :)
> >
> > I bet many CCIE's would fail if they took the test again. Not to say
> > that they don't know the material, but it's so easy to slip.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Yasser Aly [mailto:blackyeyes00@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:19 AM
> > To: george_bethel@yahoo.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
> >
> >
> > Hi George,
> >
> > Though I don't work for a Cisco partner but I don't agree
> with you in
> > this
> > for the following reason:
> > Maybe it is not the best place for a CCIE to work in a
> Cisco Partner,
> > still
> > the condition that Cisco created for those willing to be partners to
> > have
> > certain number of CCIEs contributed in maintaining the
> value of CCIE.
> >
> > Imagine now if Cisco decided that partners are not obliged to have
> > CCIE's
> > in their teams, it won't be the same anymore for CCIE world.
> >
> > I am also confused whether it is a good or bad thing for the CCIE
> > program
> > and commuunity not to set a max. number of trials to gain the
> > certificate.
> > I would vote for limiting the max number of trials to get the
> > certificate
> > for a max. of three trials.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yasser
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: George Bethel <george_bethel@yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: George Bethel <george_bethel@yahoo.com>
> > >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
> > >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:06:56 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >The CCIE certification is always retained by the
> individual who earned
> > >it.
> > >However, for the purposes of the Cisco partner programs a previous
> > employer
> > >may be able to retain the use of your certification for
> partner status
> > >qualification purposes, only.
> > >
> > >Unfortunately, CCIE's are less desireable to some Cisco Partners if
> > >their
> > >certs are not portable for partner status reasons. This should not
> > >discourage anyone from getting their CCIE. Cisco partners
> are some of
> > the
> > >worst places a CCIE could work anyway.
> > >
> > >
> > >"McCallum, Robert" <robert.mccallum@thus.net> wrote:
> > >But surely if you are a ccie and you leave a company it is
> your number.
> >
> > >My
> > >ccie joining my company passed 6 years ago.
> > >
> > >Robert McCallum
> > >CCIE #8757 R&S
> > >01415663448
> > >07818002241
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: miken [mailto:miken@sisna.com]
> > > > Sent: 26 February 2004 21:07
> > > > To: Scott Morris; 'McCallum, Robert'; 'Nki';
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE # Association
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Moral to this story....leave on good terms and they may
> "let" you
> > > > take your number with you =)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scott Morris"
> > > > To: "'miken'" ; "'McCallum, Robert'"
> > > > ; "'Nki'" ;
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:27 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This can be changed. As long as Cisco gets the
> permission of your
> > > > previous
> > > > > employer, then you can get it moved immediately. It's just
> > > > a policy
> > > > > put
> > > > in
> > > > > place to prevent corporate CCIE "raiding". :)
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> > > > On Behalf
> > > > > Of miken
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 2:28 PM
> > > > > To: McCallum, Robert; 'Nki'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE # Association
> > > > >
> > > > > You may find the information you are looking for in section
> > > > 4 on page
> > > > > 28:
> > > > >
> > > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/765/download/certification/au
> > > > dit_062403.pdf
> > > > > .
> > > > > They way a read it, if you are terminated, you take your
> > > > number with
> > > > > you.
> > > > If
> > > > > you leave on a voluntary basis, your previous
> > > > employer/Cisco partner
> > > > > keeps YOUR number for 12 months..... =(
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Nygard, CCIE#12602
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "McCallum, Robert"
> > > > > To: "'Nki'" ;
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:09 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE # Association
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > That's a good question - I would like to know how you move a
> > > > > > ccie from
> > > > one
> > > > > company to another. We have one starting with us but
> his number is
> > > > already
> > > > > associated to another company.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robert McCallum
> > > > > > CCIE #8757 R&S
> > > > > > 01415663448
> > > > > > 07818002241
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Nki [mailto:nkionlab@yahoo.co.uk]
> > > > > > > Sent: 26 February 2004 18:42
> > > > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > > > Subject: OT: CCIE # Association
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How do you find out if your ccie # is in use by a company?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Will Cisco send a notification email, to let you
> know that the
> >
> > > > > > > company you work for has put in a request to use
> your number
> > > > > > > to acheive a level of partnership with Cisco ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does your number automatically gets linked with
> the company
> > > > > > > information on your CCO Profile ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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