From: Q A (hkdnow@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Feb 26 2004 - 15:55:56 GMT-3
I couldn't agree with you more.
Remember Basics Basics Basics
All knowledge along the way is helpful. But using ones
time and money efficiently is very important. If
anyone is starting or working on the journey. Make an
outline of the sections on the CCO doc igp,egp,qos
etc. it could save you $1250 for a lab and $$$ money
on outdated books and guides.
--- Nancy Khln <nancy_merill@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Very well said Tom
>
> Nancy
>
> Thomas Larus <tlarus@cox.net> wrote:
> I think CCIE training camps, even the ones that do
> not offer one-on-one
> instruction, can be very helpful. Still, you really
> should know "the
> basics, the basics, the basics" before you go, so
> you can absorb the subtle
> lessons a good training camp should teach. (I do not
> teach CCIE classes, so
> I am not saying this out of fear for my job).
>
> And then, as you say, work on getting the basics
> right some more. It is
> amazing how easy it is to make mistakes involving
> the basics. Forgetting to
> put a loopback interface or LAN interface into a
> routing protocol, or making
> a simple mistake with a mask or wildcard mask, or
> making a mistake involving
> static frame relay mapping. One must maintain
> vigilance.
>
> I did not go to a one-on-one CCIE training place,
> but I can understand why
> that would be valuable. But it is not the only kind
> of CCIE training class
> that has value. I went to one that provided exactly
> what I needed. It
> covered many technologies, rather than assessing
> your weaknesses early on
> and then focusing on them. It reviewed basic
> landmines and potential
> glitches, and introduced many subtle and advanced
> ones.
>
> Just as importantly, it cleared up some points where
> there are errors in the
> literature (even in their own excellent book). It
> also introduced a point
> or two that I perhaps should have run across in my
> own studies, but had not
> learned. The example that sticks out is the command
> to reset DLSW+ that is
> kind of analogous to clear "ip bgp *" ("dlsw
> disable," and "no dlsw
> disable"). It seems obvious and trivial, but I had
> not noticed or absorbed
> that useful command yet. A lot of things that we all
> know now were not so
> much a matter of common knowledge a year and a half
> ago.
>
> The class made new wrinkles in my brain about IS-IS
> interface-type mismatch
> issues and multicast RPF issues and BGP next-hop
> reachability. Perhaps many
> candidates know about these problems now at an
> earlier stage in their CCIE
> lab preparation.
>
> Some people say that one-on-one instruction is the
> only sort of CCIE class
> that has any value, and this is not always fair to
> the alternatives. I am
> not saying this applies in this poster's case, but I
> have seen too many
> posts praising the one-on-one instruction, and
> deriding the old-fashioned
> CCIE classes. In a few cases, someone took the
> old-fashioned class, but did
> not pass until after getting the one-on-one
> instruction. This does not
> necessarily indicate that the old-fashioned class
> was somehow inadequate or
> inferior, but could be due to a the student being at
> a different stage when
> attending the first boot camp from when he or she
> later got individualized
> instruction. I was barely ready for the boot camp I
> attended, and I felt
> pretty underprepared for the half of it. If I had
> attended the class one
> month earlier, I would have been struggling so hard
> on configuring the basic
> stuff right, that the more advanced and subtle
> lessons and pointers would
> have sailed over my head.
>
> I went on to fail the first try a few weeks after
> the boot camp, but I knew
> that I was not quite ready to pass, and the boot
> camp had helped me to
> understand where I was in my preparation. I passed
> on the next try, nearly
> two months after the class, so I learned a lot in
> that class and in those
> two months after that class. In fact, one really
> basic thing I learned in
> that class (relating to efficient switching between
> routers connected to the
> terminal server-- embarrassingly basic stuff) helped
> me to be more
> efficient with time and mental energy in my
> practice, which permitted me to
> learn more in two months than would have been
> possible if I stuck to my old,
> inefficient ways.
>
> Also, to say that the last training one attended was
> the only one with
> value, and that all the others were a waste, is like
> saying "I found the
> object I was looking for in the last place I looked.
> Therefore, I was
> wasting my time when I looked anywhere else." You
> may well have learned
> things from the other classes that allowed you to
> get to the stage where you
> could focus on getting the details right and
> learning advanced and subtle
> lessons.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
> Author of CCIE Warm-Up: Advice and Learning Labs
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Q A"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:06 AM
> Subject: CCIE
>
>
> > I finally got the number 12915!!
> > I have been lurking groupstudy for a while. After
> > going through it and buying countless labs, books
> and
> > countless rack rentals. If someone is beginning or
> in
> > the journey just remember basics basics basics.
> And
> > before wasting your money at training camps. Did I
> say
> > it yet review you basics. But then review your
> basics
> > again :) I have also been to some training camps.
> The
> > only one I have been to that talks the talk and
> > provides one on one interaction to understand the
> > concepts and configure the concepts every which
> way
> > that is even conceivable. Even when you may be
> telling
> > yourself this is inconceivable. Cyscoexpert if you
> > want the best it is Cyscoexpert.
> > A house build on mud will slide into the sea. But
> a
> > house build on a solid foundation will forever
> hold.
> >
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