From: MCDONALD, ROMAN (SBCSI) (rx1814@sbc.com)
Date: Wed Nov 12 2003 - 13:32:29 GMT-3
The classes were good for me in this sense:
I was able to take two weeks away from work and study. Plain and simple.
As far as being busy at work, I hear you there.
During my study, I worked from 8-4 and then studied from 4-9 or 10PM. Then,
I came in for 8 hours on Saturday and 8 hours on Sunday (normally days off)
just to study.
So, YES, you can find time and you have to want to do it. I did that for 4
months. It was difficult but worth it.
It's all about focus.
-Roman
-----Original Message-----
From: George He [mailto:georgeh@adstream.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:43 PM
To: Jonathan V Hays; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: New CCIE #12483
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks.
My situation is: My salary was/is not high. So I want to know if it is
possible to pass Lab without class--should be ok I guess but want to be
confirmed. I have 3 years experience on Cisco's device, but failed my
first attempt. I am very busy on my job, so I don't have enough time to
practice. I think probably I have to use 1 year to try my next Lab?
I think that I tried my best on this topic but time and money is not
enough for me :-)
Regards
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan V Hays [mailto:jhays@jtan.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:21 PM
To: George He
Subject: RE: New CCIE #12483
Hi George,
I think you forgot to address this to the list, since I see only my name
in the To: list.
As far as "too expensive" that depends on your personal goals. I have
been a network engineer and administrator since 1992 and rarely has the
company EVER paid for any of my training. I pay for it myself. But I am
more motivated than you are, I guess.
Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: George He [mailto:georgeh@adstream.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:42 PM
To: Jonathan V Hays
Subject: RE: New CCIE #12483
Congratulations!
Is any one passed the CCIE without any classes? It's too expensive for
me if I can not get pay from company.
Regards
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan V Hays [mailto:jhays@jtan.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:21 AM
To: 'MCDONALD, ROMAN (SBCSI)'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: New CCIE #12483
Congratulations!
BTW, I didn't know that Paul taught classes. Can you post a link?
Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
MCDONALD, ROMAN (SBCSI)
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
Subject: New CCIE #12483
Well, I managed to pass the darn thing - first attempt.
Thanks to everyone that assisted me (especially Paul).
Study materials (in order of importance):
- Routing TCP/IP Vol I & II - I read them both 3 times, cover to cover.
Also read certain chapters 5 times or more.
- Caslow's Book - Second Edition - good for certain topics that aren't
covered well by Solie
- CCIE Practical Studies - just good for filling in the gaps, don't
consider
this your bible.
Classes taken (both taught by Paul Borghese and worth every penny):
CCIE - Routing and Switching
CCIE - Foundations
Lab time:
More than any of this, what this took was 30-40 hrs of lab study per
week
for 3-4 months. You've got to drill this stuff into your head and get
faster. I used a lab that consisted of 13 routers and 2 switches. I
had
real ISDN, voice, atm, etc...... leave nothing out! Practice everything
you
read until you not only can configure it but understand it!
Know the core topics inside and out (hence my incessant reading and
practicing via Doyle's superbly written books).
Know the DOC CD inside and out - it's the only thing that'll save you
when
you hit those 2-4 questions that you just don't have a freakin' clue
about.
Stay calm!!
Roman McDonald ~ CCIE #12483
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