From: George He (georgeh@adstream.com.au)
Date: Mon Nov 10 2003 - 21:09:17 GMT-3
Hi all,
Thanks for your response. I will try to learn it by myself. And get help
from this excellent group.
Regards
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Moriarty [mailto:amgroupstudy@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:03 AM
To: ccie2be@nyc.rr.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com; George He
Subject: Re: New CCIE #12483 -- Passing without classes
George/all:
I passed by CCIE withouth taking any bootcamps or classes. I'm sure they
are
all excellent, but they are very expensive, and from where I was it was
extremely difficult to find the time to travel there. So it is certainly
possible to pass without attending a class. It is a lot of work though.
On
the other hand, with the $10,000 I saved, I managed to go skiing 44 days
that year.
I paid a lot of attention to things I had learned from experience, read
a
lot of books, used a lot of practice labs, practiced on my (small) home
lab.
(only 2500's no less!) and rented online time for any equipment and
protocols I didn't have, such as ISIS, ISDN and ATM.
am
>From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
>To: "Group Study" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>, "George He"
><georgeh@adstream.com.au>
>Subject: Re: New CCIE #12483
>Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:51:51 -0500
>
>George,
>
>Although training classes can be very helpful especially the various
"ccie
>bootcamps" that are now available, it's my personal feeling that these
>classes can't by themselves get anyone to the point of passing the lab.
>And, that's not because these classes don't give you all the info
that's
>needed but rather it's impossible for anyone to truly absord all the
info
>they give you. Most of these classes are structured form 9 to 5 and
later,
>Monday to Friday. In that 40+ hours, a tremendous amount of info is
>thrown
>at you. Unless almost all of that technical info they're giving you is
>already in your head, there's just too much to absord.
>
>But, on the other hand, if you already have almost all the knowledge
and
>expertise needed for the exam, these classes can help re-inforce what
you
>learned earlier and perhaps clarify some things that you may have
become
>fuzzy on or never fully understood. And, for that they can be of great
>value. They can also provide you with a much better sense of how far
or
>close you are to being ready for the real thing and they can also
provide
>you with a very good sense of where you're weak and need more knowledge
or
>practice. They can also give you valuable test taking strategies.
>
>So, my point is that you can definately pass the lab without taking
>classes.
>If you have the time and money these classes can get you closer to
being
>ready to pass the exam, but if you don't, you can still learn and
practice
>enough on your own to pass the lab.
>
>Of course, these are only my opinions. Take them for what they're
worth.
>
>HTH, dt
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George He" <georgeh@adstream.com.au>
>To: "Jonathan V Hays" <jhays@jtan.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:43 PM
>Subject: RE: New CCIE #12483
>
>
> > Hi Jonathan,
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > My situation is: My salary was/is not high. So I want to know if it
is
> > possible to pass Lab without class--should be ok I guess but want to
be
> > confirmed. I have 3 years experience on Cisco's device, but failed
my
> > first attempt. I am very busy on my job, so I don't have enough time
to
> > practice. I think probably I have to use 1 year to try my next Lab?
> >
> > I think that I tried my best on this topic but time and money is not
> > enough for me :-)
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan V Hays [mailto:jhays@jtan.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:21 PM
> > To: George He
> > Subject: RE: New CCIE #12483
> >
> > Hi George,
> >
> > I think you forgot to address this to the list, since I see only my
name
> > in the To: list.
> >
> > As far as "too expensive" that depends on your personal goals. I
have
> > been a network engineer and administrator since 1992 and rarely has
the
> > company EVER paid for any of my training. I pay for it myself. But I
am
> > more motivated than you are, I guess.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: George He [mailto:georgeh@adstream.com.au]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:42 PM
> > To: Jonathan V Hays
> > Subject: RE: New CCIE #12483
> >
> >
> > Congratulations!
> >
> > Is any one passed the CCIE without any classes? It's too expensive
for
> > me if I can not get pay from company.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan V Hays [mailto:jhays@jtan.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:21 AM
> > To: 'MCDONALD, ROMAN (SBCSI)'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: New CCIE #12483
> >
> > Congratulations!
> >
> > BTW, I didn't know that Paul taught classes. Can you post a link?
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> > MCDONALD, ROMAN (SBCSI)
> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 11:01 AM
> > To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> > Subject: New CCIE #12483
> >
> >
> > Well, I managed to pass the darn thing - first attempt.
> >
> > Thanks to everyone that assisted me (especially Paul).
> >
> > Study materials (in order of importance):
> >
> > - Routing TCP/IP Vol I & II - I read them both 3 times, cover to
cover.
> > Also read certain chapters 5 times or more.
> > - Caslow's Book - Second Edition - good for certain topics that
aren't
> > covered well by Solie
> > - CCIE Practical Studies - just good for filling in the gaps, don't
> > consider
> > this your bible.
> >
> > Classes taken (both taught by Paul Borghese and worth every penny):
> >
> > CCIE - Routing and Switching
> > CCIE - Foundations
> >
> > Lab time:
> >
> > More than any of this, what this took was 30-40 hrs of lab study per
> > week
> > for 3-4 months. You've got to drill this stuff into your head and
get
> > faster. I used a lab that consisted of 13 routers and 2 switches.
I
> > had
> > real ISDN, voice, atm, etc...... leave nothing out! Practice
everything
> > you
> > read until you not only can configure it but understand it!
> >
> > Know the core topics inside and out (hence my incessant reading and
> > practicing via Doyle's superbly written books).
> >
> > Know the DOC CD inside and out - it's the only thing that'll save
you
> > when
> > you hit those 2-4 questions that you just don't have a freakin' clue
> > about.
> >
> > Stay calm!!
> >
> > Roman McDonald ~ CCIE #12483
> >
> >
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