From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sun Oct 19 2003 - 20:24:34 GMT-3
That's a decent book for explaining some of the intracacies in
interdomain multicast routing, but it really is not focussed on issues
important for the R&S lab. If you are going for the Service Provider
CCIE, I'd say it would be worth your time to take a look through it all.
HTH,
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
CISSP, JNCIS, et al.
IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
http://www.ipexpert.net
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Yasser Aly
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:02 PM
To: tlarus@cox.net; jhays@jtan.com; ihatecisco@att.net;
ccie2be@nyc.rr.com; jasonviera@avenuecable.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Mcast on the Lab
How about Cisco press " Interdomain Multicast Solutions Guide " any
comments
on this books compared
to the ones mentioned earlier ?
>From: "Thomas Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
>Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:46:08 -0400
>
>Here is a link to the Parkhurst multicast book on amazon.
>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0071346473/qid=1066597753
>/sr=1-7/ref=sr_1_7/104-8286871-7137568?v=glance&s=books
>
>You will notice that it is available used (often overstock) for
>practically no money at all ($3.95 or so). You ought to get Beau
>Williamson's book, too, as it has received rave reviews, and is
>apparently the greatest book on Cisco multicast . I own it but have
>not yet read all of it. I wish I had bought it a long time ago. It's
>link is:
>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1578700779/ref=pd_bxgy_te
>xt_1/104-8286871-7137568?v=glance&s=books&st=*
>
>I happen to like Parkhurst's very approachable style, even though this
>book has not received rave reviews, by any means. He obviously has fun
>with the material and enjoys teaching about it. This multicast book
>may not be as big a deal as his recent BGP book from Cisco press, which
>is fabulous and makes learning BGP command syntax downright fun.
>
>I believe in reading broadly from different authors, not in finding one
>"best" text and only reading that. Sometimes the other texts teach
>some lessons that the "best" text misses. Also, sometimes the "best"
>text is written at such a high level that it is not very approachable,
>particularly for some people whose first language is not English. A
>case in point is a recent BSCI book from Cisco Press by Paquet and
>Teare. It has first-rate content and is obviously written by seasoned
>professionals, but it is much harder to read than it has to be. One
>might want to read a lesser book first if it were written in a more
>approachable style, and then read this first-rate one to absorb some
>fine points that you will only get from this excellent book.
>
>The risk you run with my approach of "reading broadly" is that you need
>to be able to catch and filter out mistakes. The books that are not
>"number one" sometimes have more mistakes.
>
>Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
>Author of CCIE Warm-Up: Advice and Learning Labs, distributed by
>www.ipexpert.com tlarus@ipexpert.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jonathan V Hays" <jhays@jtan.com>
>To: "'Michael Miller'" <ihatecisco@att.net>; "'ccie2be'"
><ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>; "'Jason Viera'" <jasonviera@avenuecable.com>;
><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:16 PM
>Subject: RE: Mcast on the Lab
>
>
> > I've searched but cannot find any book on multicast by Parkhurst.
> >
> > Are you possibly referring to the Cisco Press book "Developing IP
> > Multicast Networks Volume 1" by Beau Williamson (ISBN
> > 1-57870-077-9)?
> >
> > Please advise,
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Michael Miller
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:12 AM
> > To: ccie2be; Jason Viera; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Mcast on the Lab
> >
> >
> > i would look for the book that parkhurst put out on multicast. I was
> > lucky enough to run across this book at a compusa where it was
> > marked down!!! what
> > luck. There is that other cisco press book that has some good stuff
in
> > it.
> >
> > no short cuts though. ;-)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
> > To: "Jason Viera" <jasonviera@avenuecable.com>;
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: Mcast on the Lab
> >
> >
> > > Hi Jason,
> > >
> > > 1st of all, it's not a stupid question. I'm sure most everybody
> > > on GS
> > would
> > > like a definitive answer to the question you asked. However,
> > > anyone
> > who
> > could
> > > give you a definitive answer and did would be violating the nda.
> > >
> > > So, here's how I think about it. Multicast, itself, is not a core
> > topic,
> > > therefore the number of points assigned to it will be relatively
> > > small
> > -
> > my
> > > guess is somewhere between 4 and 6 points. Also, you should
> > > remind
> > yourself
> > > every now and then that unlike some other topics like frame relay,
> > > for example, any points lost on multicast won't cause the loss of
> > > points
> > on
> > any
> > > other topic.
> > >
> > > So, given the number of points assigned to multicast, some of
> > > which
> > will
> > be
> > > assigned to the "core" multicast topics you've already mentioned,
> > > how
> > many
> > > points does that leave for the "non-core" multicast topics? Not
> > > many.
> > So,
> > > therefore, the question you're asking can be restated as, "How
> > > much
> > time
> > > should I allocate to non-core multicast topics that, at most, are
> > worth
> > only a
> > > few points of the test score and might not be assigned any
> > > points?"
> > >
> > > Another thing I would keep in mind is the issue of opportunity
> > > cost,
> > in
> > other
> > > words, how many points could you have avoided losing on core
> > > topics if
> > the
> > > time you spent on the various non-core multicast topics were
> > > instead
> > spent
> > > practicing the core topics? I don't know about you, but for me,
my
> > brain
> > is
> > > like a leaky bucket - if a time A, I have perfect knowledge of
> > > OSPF or
> > BGP,
> > > if I spend several weeks studying other topics and it's now time
> > > B, I
> > don't
> > > have perfect knowledge anymore of OSPF of BGP.
> > >
> > > I suspect that the best answer anyone can provide you is that this
> > > is
> > a
> > > decision you have to make for yourself. And, of course, none of
> > > us
> > really
> > > know what specific topics or points for that topic will be on the
> > exam.
> > > Theoretically, it's possible that Cisco will have 15 points
> > > assigned
> > to
> > MSDP
> > > and SSM on the particular test you take.
> > >
> > > HTH, dt
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jason Viera" <jasonviera@avenuecable.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:55 PM
> > > Subject: Mcast on the Lab
> > >
> > >
> > > > I hate asking stupid questions along these lines since we all
> > > > know
> > that
> > > > anything is fair game in the CCIE lab, but would anyone like to
> > elaborate
> > > on
> > > > which aspects of mcast I should study. Obviously items like PIM
> > sparse
> > and
> > > > dense mode as well as IGMP, Auto-rp and BSR should be known
> > thoroughly,
> > but
> > > > what about MSDP(Anycast RP), Bidirectional PIM, SSM, PGM, UDLR
> > > > and
> > so
> > > on.....
> > > > Obviously there are very few shortcuts when it some to studying
> > > > for
> > this
> > > > beast, but some topics definitely carry more weight then others,
> > > > any
> > > comments
> > > > would be greatly appreciated!!!
> > > > TIA, Jason
> > > >
> > > >
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