From: Mike Williams (ccie2be@swbell.net)
Date: Thu Sep 04 2003 - 01:04:31 GMT-3
I was about to jump all over this....... But it seems something has
changed recently? Without my knowing it? (like *I* know everything LOL)
Since when is the CCIE a Career Certification (It never was before and
I'm not aware of it being considered one now). Having said that, this
document does mention
2.1 Certification Requirements. In order for an individual to obtain a
Certification, an individual must obtain a
certificate from Cisco verifying that the individual has passed any
computer based, written and/or laboratory
examination(s) (the "Exam(s)") as required by the relevant Certification
program.
Why would they even mention the lab (or give a mailing address for the
lab at the end) when this document is *clearly* labeled "CISCO CAREER
CERTIFICATIONS AND CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT" which would NOT (unless
there's been a RECENT change) include the CCIE.
Now I'm even more cornfused...... LOL
Mike W.
PS: I know there are many out there that wish this thread would just
die, and I apologize for being an active participant.... But, at this
point, I need to know just because I need to know.... Not that I really
care one way or the other (it's like reading and digging until you
figure out exactly WHY disabling inverse arp doesn't do exactly what you
thought it would when you first tried it, or going to an RFC to know
100% for sure why something is what it is).
-----Original Message-----
From: Roberts, Larry [mailto:Larry.Roberts@expanets.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:33 PM
To: 'Mike Williams'; 'Dennis'; 'Tiffany Creighton';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Written
Just as a point of clarification:
https://www.certmanager.net/cisco/public/agreement_ccc_v8.pdf
Section 6.2(b)
As "CCIE Written" isn't a certification your in material breach.
This gives Cisco the right to terminate its agreement with you ( and one
you HAD to agree to whether you remember signing it or not ) At which
point :
6.4 Effect of termination
Tells you that you must immediately cease to represent yourself as cisco
certified.
This is the ALL ENCOMPASSING Certification agreement not the CCIE Logo
agreement.
Thanks
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Williams [mailto:ccie2be@swbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:58 PM
To: 'Dennis'; 'Tiffany Creighton'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Written
Funny you mention the rules, as I went back over Cisco's website looking
for the rules. Actually, until you finish the CCIE lab and get your
number, you're not bound by the rules set forth on the CCIE Logo usage
webpage which says (pertaining to text usage):
-----------------------------------------------------
Text References to the CCIE Program
The name CCIE may be used in textual descriptions that make fair and
accurate references to the program and to your certification status.
Since it is a trademark, it should be used as an adjective and never as
a noun. Examples of proper use include:
Do say: "John Smith is certified under the CCIET program; CCIE No. 1234"
or "John Smith, CCIET No. 1234"
Do not say: "John Smith is a CCIE" or "XYZ company is CCIE certified"
-----------------------------------------------------
Since there is nothing specifically saying you *can't* use it, and you
*can't* be bound by the CCIE Logo usage rules until you are a CCIE
(technically speaking), does it break the rules to use it this way?
I don't know.......... But to make sure I don't jeopardize my certs,
I've e-mailed ccie@cisco.com and asked for an official clarification. I
will post as soon as I receive an answer.
Mike W.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Dennis
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 5:58 PM
To: 'Tiffany Creighton'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Written
It's good to be proud of your accomplishments. It's also good to honor
the rules as set forth by the company whos certification your pursuing
and you take said pride in. There is a standard for using the letters as
you choose to use them. And that standard is there is no such thing as a
"CCIE Written" designation to be used in any correspondence, stationary,
business card, email, etc. We don't make the rules... we just live by
them.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tiffany Creighton
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:27 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: CCIE Written
Those of you disgruntled by my placing "CCIE Written" after my name have
way too much time on your hands. I am not using the CCIE Written to get
a job, nor to trick people into thinking I've passed the lab exam. I
already have a job and am only focused on the certifications I'm
pursuing. I put it on there because I'm proud of it. Passing the
written was a great accomplishment and it constantly motivates me to
succeed. If someone were to cheat on a test or share answers and
questions from the actual exam, they would be violating the Cisco
agreements. If I share with others that I've passed the written exam,
I'm just telling people I've passed the CCIE written exam. Find a
better way to use your time.
Tiffany Creighton
CCIE Written,CCDP, CCNP, CCDA, CCNA, CNA
Vital Support Systems
Systems Engineer
515.334.5737 Direct
515.334.5757 Fax
515.710.5456 Mobile
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