From: Astorga, Fernando (fernando.astorga@intel.com)
Date: Mon Jun 09 2003 - 18:18:38 GMT-3
I've often wondered what causes more spam, a few off-topic posts that
die off in a couple of days, or 3 replies to the entire list redirecting
people to another list...
-Fernando
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan V Hays [mailto:jhays@jtan.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:01 PM
To: 'ccielab groupstudy'
Cc: 'West, Jeff'
Subject: RE: Unfair Hiring
Please post topics of jobs and employment here:
http://www.groupstudy.com/list/jobs.html
Thanks.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of West, Jeff
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:42 PM
> To: ccielab groupstudy
> Subject: RE: Unfair Hiring
>
>
> It is not unfair, is just a fact of life that you need to deal with.
> If you are not cleared someone will have to escort you EVERYWHERE you
> go, the entire time you are in the facility. And even then, depending
> on the situation, you might not even be able to see anything (they
> might yell "Red Badge" and throw tarps over everything). If you were a
> manager would you hire someone if that is what you would face?
>
> Jeff West
> TeleCommunication Systems, Inc.
> (813) 831-6353 x118
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Jin [mailto:PJin@EIGRP.Org]
> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: 'Bigelow, John'; ccielab groupstudy
> Subject: RE: Unfair Hiring
>
>
> It is all about supply and demand. The contractors feel that there is
> enough supply of current cleared people out there so they make this a
> requirement.
>
> If they feel that the supply has gone down, then they will relax this
> rule.
>
> High supply of cleared people -
> Req - All must be cleared to submit resume
>
> Supply has gone down a little -
> Req - If you were previously cleared for secret work, please submit
> resume
>
> Supply is gone -
> Req - Please have a clean history, and we will submit you to be
> cleared, while you wait at the corporate office, and hope it all works
> out.
>
> I don't really like it or agree with it either, because what actually
> happens is that a security requirement is now the priority over actual
> skills, instead of hiring the skills and getting them the clearance if
> they don't have it.
>
> But that is how the firms are playing the game. That is why you will
> see a lot of former military people in these positions, because they
> come out with an active clearance and go directly to one of these
> contract positions.
>
> - Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bigelow, John [mailto:John.Bigelow@bcbsfl.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:43 PM
> To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> Subject: Unfair Hiring
>
> This is off topic but....
> Does anyone else find it unfair that government contractors
> with positions that require security clearances won't hire you without
> one but there is no way to obtain one without a current position with
> a government contractor.....Nice catch-22
>
> John B Bigelow CCIE #10565 MCSE
> Network Analyst II
> Enterprise Deployment
> John.Bigelow@BCBSFL.com
> x - 904-363-5401
> NAS-161
>
>
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