From: Charles Church (cchurch@wamnet.com)
Date: Sun Jun 08 2003 - 21:21:44 GMT-3
True, but there should be a way for civilians to get cleared on their own.
My company (Wamnet) is hiring tons of Cisco people for a huge project
involving the military, but most positions require a clearance. They made a
special exception for me, but it doesn't happen often. It's so bad that I
think we're actually preferring the clearance over the skills. So if
anyone's looking for a job and has a past or active clearance, email me off
line. But getting back to the point, there should be a way to get a
clearance, even if it costs you a couple grand.
Chuck Church
CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
Wam!Net Government Services
13665 Dulles Technology Dr. Ste 250
Herndon, VA 20171
Office: 703-480-2569
Cell: 585-233-2706
cchurch@wamnet.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
West, Jeff
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:42 PM
To: ccielab groupstudy
Subject: RE: Unfair Hiring
It is not unfair, is just a fact of life that you need to deal with.
If you are not cleared someone will have to escort you EVERYWHERE you
go, the entire time you are in the facility. And even then, depending
on the situation, you might not even be able to see anything (they
might yell "Red Badge" and throw tarps over everything). If you were a
manager would you hire someone if that is what you would face?
Jeff West
TeleCommunication Systems, Inc.
(813) 831-6353 x118
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Jin [mailto:PJin@EIGRP.Org]
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 11:09 AM
To: 'Bigelow, John'; ccielab groupstudy
Subject: RE: Unfair Hiring
It is all about supply and demand. The contractors feel that there is
enough supply of current cleared people out there so they make this a
requirement.
If they feel that the supply has gone down, then they will relax this
rule.
High supply of cleared people -
Req - All must be cleared to submit resume
Supply has gone down a little -
Req - If you were previously cleared for secret work, please submit
resume
Supply is gone -
Req - Please have a clean history, and we will submit you to be
cleared, while you wait at the corporate office, and hope it all works
out.
I don't really like it or agree with it either, because what actually
happens is that a security requirement is now the priority over actual
skills, instead of hiring the skills and getting them the clearance if
they don't have it.
But that is how the firms are playing the game. That is why you will
see a lot of former military people in these positions, because they
come out with an active clearance and go directly to one of these
contract positions.
- Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Bigelow, John [mailto:John.Bigelow@bcbsfl.com]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:43 PM
To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
Subject: Unfair Hiring
This is off topic but....
Does anyone else find it unfair that government contractors
with positions that require security clearances won't hire you without
one but there is no way to obtain one without a current position with
a government contractor.....Nice catch-22
John B Bigelow CCIE #10565 MCSE
Network Analyst II
Enterprise Deployment
John.Bigelow@BCBSFL.com
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