From: Yongchul Yang (yyang@socal.rr.com)
Date: Wed May 21 2003 - 02:14:47 GMT-3
I passed last Thursday at San Jose and dreamt being a CCIE # 11666 that
night, I remember saying in my dream 'why 666...' (truly no disrespect to
someone who became 11666), but it turned out CCIE # 11646. I kind of passed
out for several days after receiving my email and did not touch my computers
at home for few days. I'd like to thank all of you on this list and special
thanks to Bruce, Val & Fred at NMC, you guys are the best.
Thanks,
Yongchul Yang
CCIE # 11646
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
GSRouting@dualccie.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:21 PM
To: 'Brian Dennis'; 'Leo Seto'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE #11664 / Re: not a good day
I had a similar comment made in a recent visit, but it was specifically made
in reference to adding extra loopbacks. They said something to the effect of
don't add any extra loopbacks because it could conflict with IPs from other
racks. While I agree there is plenty they could do to isolate the racks from
each other, my experience indicates that they do not always do so. There are
a few specific things that I noticed that surprised me regarding interaction
between racks. Without those filters in place, they may be concerned about
IPs that conflict being advertised to places they shouldn't be.
By the way, congratulations on getting your number. I notice it was pretty
close to 11666. I wonder who got that. :)
-Eric
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Dennis [mailto:brian@labforge.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:38 PM
To: 'Leo Seto'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
In regards to this part of your e-mail:
<quote>
He let us know that in the past candidates had done some things which had
"broken" the lab for everyone (change an IP to someone else's termserver?
I'm not sure what exactly).
</quote>
To help solve that issue maybe they could connect the access-server's
ethernet port to a 3550 and figure out the IP address/MAC address filter
question that is discussed so much on Groupstudy ;-) That would solve the
problem ;-)
On a serious note I don't think that it could have been an access-server/IP
address issue since you can't get into enable mode on them. I would be
curious as to how someone else's rack could interfere with another rack. I
can't imagine too many ways that can't be solved with some sort of
technique/filter.
Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Leo
Seto
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:06 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: CCIE #11664 / Re: not a good day
Last week I said I would pass my lab on Monday and I did -- #11664, but not
without a lot of stress and worry. I didn't get a "Congratulations"
email
that people keep talking about, but when I logged on to the Cisco website it
said I had passed.
I took the lab in San Jose yesterday and it was completely different from my
previous lab attempt. I used maybe the last 30 minutes checking over
everything and thought I did a decent job of meeting the requirements, but
in the car on the way to the airport I realized that I had forgotten to do
one 3 point requirement entirely!! Ooops. Max 97 pts -- 17 pt cushion.
Later throughout the day I kept thinking about a few other requirements and
how my config didn't meet them. Max 90 pts -- 10 pt cushion (gulp!).
Luckily, it held.
My mind wasn't 100% yesterday because of a bad headache and allergies.
(If
you see an Asian guy on an airplane who is sneezing, don't look at him as if
he has SARS :), it could be he just took an 8 hour lab exam and didn't sleep
well the night before).
The proctor Maurelio (sp?) was professional and courteous. He let us know
that in the past candidates had done some things which had "broken" the lab
for everyone (change an IP to someone else's termserver? I'm not sure what
exactly).
Basically, what helped me pass was failing. It made me read the config
guides slowly and thoroughly. If you don't get it, you MUST lab it up and
see for yourself. One piece of advice I would offer is to use the 12.1
guides, not the 12.2. When they change to 12.2 in November then you should
be studying 12.2. It may save you a few points. The second piece of advice
is never trust someone's solution on groupstudy or any such places -- lab it
up yourself and "nuke the site from orbit," it's the only way to be sure.
I'm wondering who I should be thanking now. First I thank myself for going
through with this, (har har). It has been 1 year of off and on studying
while working a bit with the technologies. Of course the stuff you lab up
is 10x more complicated than the stuff you implement in the field.
Without
sheer will and determination and $10,000 worth of equipment, I don't think I
could have done it because my girlfriend, family, or boss sure can't help me
with things like OSPF authentication. There's a huge disconnect between
people who do this Cisco stuff and people who don't, or maybe it is just my
imagination. There were times when I didn't sleep enough and I would hear
the whirling sound of routers in my head for the whole day. I finally can
unplug most of it now and sell it on ebay. Being able to finally sell the
equipment was a huge motivation.
Lastly, what Donny says in the email below couldn't be more true.
Failing
may be a blow to one's confidence, but it forces you to be better if you
choose to continue. I always told myself that when I made it to the "other
side of the fence" I wouldn't forget about what got me there and also the
quality intelligent people who haven't crossed it yet. There are some
people out there who are know this stuff better than half the CCIEs out
there but might have failed on their last attempt. It happens, since some
of it is luck and you could get tested on obscure stuff or the lab could
break because some newbie took your ATM or term server IP address, or you
could get the proctor from hell, you get the picture. Heck, the whole DOC
CD situation was confusing. Which one to study? Which one to use as _the_
authoritative resource? Will it match the one in the lab, etc. Bottom
line, if you know the stuff well enough you can pass even with the +0
through -5 pts tolerance for the unexpected factors.
As for me, it's time to move on to something else, like getting a law
degree. It probably will prove to be easier than getting a CCIE. (At least
for me personally)
Leo Seto
CCIE #11664
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Donny MATEO
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:16 PM
> To: Roger McNeace
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Not a good day
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> While I agree failing the CCIE exam is sort of a black hole of
> confidence specially when you have 3-4 hours double checking
> everything. I learn one thing that is probaly not quite obvious. Is
> that by failing, I study harder, I learn deeper, I read the doc words
> by words, I learn to read and understand question more carefully and I
> learn to be a very details and ask the proctor to clarify any doubts I
> have until there is none or its close to 0%.
> It hurts when you failed an exam, but sometimes it's a good thing.
> When you lost your confidence you tends to be more open to alternative
> and set aside your ego (i'm right the router and the whole world are
> wrong attitude) and that enables you to see things in different
> perspective and learn new thing.
> The point I'm trying to make is failing the exam has earn me great
> rewards, the ability to understand question, the details work, the
> asking atitude (instead of well I think this should be like this
> attitude) and a deeper understanding of the knowledge required not
> only by the lab test by also in real life.
> Specially since I don't have any opportunity to join any of those
> bootcamp classes, limited equipment (I dig my own pocket which is not
> much considering I work in an end user company in singapore and under
> paid!) and time.
> So, don't give in, you still have a chance if you do it, you won't
> have a chance if you quit. Even 1/1000.000 is still a possibility,
> which is better than 0.
>
> Donny
> CCIE #11189
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> Roger McNeace
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> "'Kim, Wol - BLS CTR'" <Kim.Wol@bls.gov>, "'Joe Carr'"
> <Joe.Carr@oati.net>,
> rk.com>
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
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> I feel your pain. I failed a couple a weeks ago. I finished the test
> with 3 hours to spare, but I still failed. I also got low scores in
> areas where I thought I did well. I believe you are right with the
> fact that the questions need to read very carefully. I may have lost
> alot of points by not accurately interperting the hidden meaning of
> the question.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kim, Wol - BLS CTR [mailto:Kim.Wol@bls.gov]
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:06 PM
> To: 'Joe Carr'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Not a good day
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> I also failed the lab yesterday in RTP and knew I missed a few
> questions, which made me think I might pass it. But they gave me
> scores the way below I expected even if failed. For example, on IGP
> section, most of the questions were familiar with me and had all
> connectivities for all routers but got below 50%...Not even close
> to... I didn't see any trick requirements and I configured without
> any major problem. It could be a problem with myself to interpret the
> questions but at least not that below scores.
> Now I start wondering if I will ever pass this test. I
> don't know if I
> have to keep going because I know the next preparation for the lab
> will be pretty much same as before.
> I also found backbone problem after wasting of quite long time.
> Seems like you have to be very precise to interpret the questions to
> pass the test, but I still don't see why I got that such a low
> scores.....
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> Wol
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Carr [mailto:Joe.Carr@oati.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:48 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Not a good day
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> Well, I took the lab in RTP yesterday and I got the same test as I had
> before. In some sections where I got 100% before I answered the same
> and did not get the full points! Also I had asked the proctor about a
> cretin section that was not working properly and he did not help until
> I asked him for the 3rd time and on another section the second time I
> asked him he gave me a different answer. It turned out that the
> backbone was messed up! What the %@#!. I have lost a little respect
> for the CCIE certification. I guess my question is should I pay the
> $250 to have them review my test? How long does that take?
>
> Joe
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