From: Wes Stevens (wesley@stevens.name)
Date: Tue Apr 29 2003 - 22:42:32 GMT-3
Jason,
We have atm at work. 12 international sites and atm or fratm
to 50 or so domestic sites. But it does not give enough
problems to give any real practice on it. If the security
lab has the same atm as the r&s I will probably keep it in
my lab just for the confidence it gives.
I have had the routers for over a year now and they are
worth a lot less then I paid for them already anyway...
Thanks a lot for your help!
---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:39:18 +1000
>From: Jason Sinclair <sinclairj@powertel.com.au>
>Subject: OT: RE: ATM?
>To: "'Wes Stevens'" <wesley@stevens.name>, jgraun@attbi.com
>Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
>Out of interest I read the CCIE Security information on
www.cisco.com. There
>is a statement that Core IP and IP routing protocols are
tested and that
>candidates are required to design a complex network from
the physical layer
>up. There is also a statement:
>
>"Candidates may refer to the Routing and Switching exam
blueprint for
>information for more specifics on IP routing and switching
test content."
>
>If I were preparing for the Security exam I would
definitely want to
>understand ATM. Another interesting point is that you are
already a CCIE so
>you should have ATM knowledge already. If you do not use
this everyday then
>I understand you may lose some of the more complex ATM
knowledge, however I
>would expect any CCIE to retain the ability to configure
all aspects of ATM
>that are commonly encountered and know where to find the
info for those
>aspects that are less common.
>
>Your original question asked whether you should retain the
ATM kit in your
>home lab. I would analyse it in the following way:
>
>1. Can you afford to keep the ATM routers?
>2. Do you remember ATM from your R&S or will you need to
continue to
>practice it?
>3. Can you source ATM kit from on-line labs, etc
>4. How confident are you with ATM
>5. Did you just learn enough about ATM to pass your R&S or
are you truly an
>expert who would and should understand this technology?
>
>There are several other things to look at, however it
sounds as though you
>are not confident with ATM and in my mind and from reading
the cisco.com
>site, I would recommend that you be comfortable with ATM.
If you need your
>kit to achieve this, then keep it. If not, sell it.
>
>One final note: some people complain about a lack of
information on the CCIE
>site, and that there are too many mysteries surrounding the
exam. I feel
>that this is one of the values of this cert.....
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Jason Sinclair CCIE #9100
>Manager, Network Control Centre
>POWERTEL
>55 Clarence Street,
>SYDNEY NSW 2000
>AUSTRALIA
>office: + 61 2 8264 3820
>mobile: + 61 416 105 858
>email: sinclairj@powertel.com.au
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Wes Stevens [mailto:wesley@stevens.name]
>Sent: Wednesday, 30 April 2003 9:07 AM
>To: jgraun@attbi.com
>Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: ATM?
>
>Jason,
>
>In this case I have done my homework. The r&s blueprint
>lists atm as a topic. The security blueprint does not. Thus
>my question.
>
>Before you jump on me and tell me to check the web, why
>don't you check and make sure the answer is there??
>
>As for me being a "lazy-ass" I seemed to have worked hard
>enough to get a number behind my name that you don't seem
to
>have....
>
>Wes Stevens r&s 11480
>
>---- Original message ----
>>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:19:28 +0000
>>From: jgraun@attbi.com
>>Subject: RE: ATM?
>>To: "Narkissos Sevastiadis (nsevasti)" <nsevasti@cisco.com>
>>Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>
>>Sorry I dont agree with you. I have seen a lot of people
>not doing their
>>homework on this e-mail forum, I have found very little
>usefull information,
>>just the same posts over and over again. A lot of people
>that just want
>>answers and not understand the technology. How do
>redistribute classless into
>>classfull? I do tell what ports are open on a router?
>etc.... If you
>>understand routing and TCP/IP this is a non-issue. I
think
>I will unsubscribe
>>from the list, it is just a waste of bandwidth and hard
>drive space.
>>> I have seen no value added by you to this discussion.
>Your manners need
>>> some adjustment too...
>>> I am already CCIE so I do not "want to".
>>> You seriously need some attitude improvement.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jason Graun [mailto:jgraun@attbi.com]
>>> Sent: 29 April 2003 14:23
>>> To: Narkissos Sevastiadis (nsevasti);
>security@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: ATM?
>>>
>>>
>>> This old song?! "I am tired of lazy-ass people that
want
>to be an
>>> expert" -
>>> by Kenny Rogers. There is an old song for you.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Narkissos Sevastiadis (nsevasti)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:35 AM
>>> To: security@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: ATM?
>>>
>>> It's "ON THE WEB" !!! I am tired of this old song...
>>> The man asked a question. If you do not want to answer,
>don't bother...
>>> And on that web it says something like "Everything in
the
>IOS 12.1X or
>>> 12.1xT (plus PIX 6.2)can be tested except what
>explicitelly excluded. I
>>> would sincerelly like some better guidance.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jason Graun [mailto:jgraun@attbi.com]
>>> Sent: 29 April 2003 01:36
>>> To: 'Wes Stevens'; systemboard@excite.com
>>> Cc: security@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: ATM?
>>>
>>>
>>> Please check www.cisco.com/go/ccie then click security,
>all answers are
>>> there. Is going to a website for answers a lost art?
Is
>the IT field
>>> reduced to just posting questions to a e-mail address?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Wes
>>> Stevens
>>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 5:44 PM
>>> To: systemboard@excite.com
>>> Cc: wesley@stevens.name; security@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: ATM?
>>>
>>> I have atm in my home lab for R&S and finally got my
>number.
>>> I am wondering if it is worth keeping my routers with
atm
>>> for the security or if I should sell them?
>>>
>>> ---- Original message ----
>>> >Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:31:09 -0400 (EDT)
>>> >From: "Jim" <systemboard@excite.com>
>>> >Subject: RE: ATM?
>>> >To: wesley@stevens.name, security@groupstudy.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >There is most definitely.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >JT
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --- On Sat 04/26, Wes Stevens < wesley@stevens.name >
>>> wrote:
>>> >From: Wes Stevens [mailto: wesley@stevens.name]
>>> >To: security@groupstudy.com
>>> >Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:05:44 -0400
>>> >Subject: ATM?
>>> >
>>> >Is there ATM in the Security CCIE lab??<br>
>>> >
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