From: Jim Brown (Jim.Brown@caselogic.com)
Date: Tue Apr 15 2003 - 11:40:23 GMT-3
The point I'm trying to make is the exam is not made of impossible
requirements.
If someone breaks the NDA and gives you a specific quirky requirement
and you can't figure it out on your without posting to the list.... you
are either lazy or a very poor engineer. If you are lazy, they you are
probably also a poor engineer.
A CCIE ISN'T someone who knows everything by any means, but they are a
person who can learn, assimilate information, research, and problem
solve under pressure.
I bet there are very few people who would deny, "If I only had 'X' more
hours I would have passed the lab."
-----Original Message-----
From: MADMAN [mailto:dave@interprise.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 8:07 AM
To: Mike Williams
Cc: Jim Brown; jgraun@attbi.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
What! Are you saying you don't know everything!!! ;)
Dave, still learning!!!
Mike Williams wrote:
> Jim Brown said:
>
> "I always made the comment what kind of engineer would they be if they
> couldn't even figure it out own their own and had to post it to the
> list."
>
> This is nonsense. If what you're saying is true, then virtually this
> entire list is a list of piss-poor engineers (i.e. people who ask
> questions of others because they CAN'T figure it out). I can't tell
you
> how many times others people, including myself, have come to this list
> and posted real world problems, not because "I'm not a good engineer",
> but even studying or even passing the lab can't prepare you for
> everything. There are sometimes flaws in the IOS or bugs in the
> hardware that cause issues that make no sense. And having "a virtual
> community of network engineer" (The Groupstudy motto) is a priceless
> asset. That doesn't make me or anyone else less of a good engineer.
It
> makes us smart because we have enough sense to bounce problems off of
> others that are also knowledgable.
>
> Mike W.
>
>
-- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton
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