From: jgraun@attbi.com
Date: Mon Apr 14 2003 - 17:37:51 GMT-3
Harold, please stop sniffing glue and read the lab policies! When you said
that I am in violation of NDA you are very wrong. I didnt say what question
(s) are being asked on the forum. When you said: Quote
One other thing - there is no stipulation in the NDA (to my knowledge) that
says a candidate can't ask how to do a task on his or her lab, so long as
he/she doesn't say "This was on my lab." I think if you change the question to
involve different IP addresses and/or a different topology but still ask a
question on the same topology, you're in the clear. Apply the pinciple ad
nauseam: My lab (may have) required me to redistribute OSPF into RIP. Am I not
allowed to ask the list how to do that? Unquote.
Here is a line from the lab policy that Cisco says is considered cheating:
Quote Posting of test content to study groups internal to Cisco or External to
Cisco with the exception of ccie-lab@cisco.com. Unquote. So I guess well see
you in CCIE Hell AKA: A 3Com infrastructure. If this isnt cheating I dont
what is. Your logic in that statement is very skewed, if you get arrested for
solicitation by asking a hooker how much to sniff my packet and then tell the
judge you never asked for sex, it is the say thing, I really dont understand
what you where trying to say.
Thank You
> Question: How does someone who hasn't taken the lab recently recognize a "lab
> question"?
>
> Really, you're more guilty of an NDA vioalation than the person who asked the
> offending question is. Courtesy of your little rant, I now know that within the
> last 50 or so posts there is a question that was on somebody's lab. Before your
> rant, I would have just dismissed it as a regular question. In fact, I hadn't
> even been reading any posts on the list today and I just happened to notice
> yours (possibly because of the title in ALL CAPS).
>
> I don't know what the position of the moderators is on this, but it seems like
> the best thing to do if you see someone posting questions from a lab you took is
> to ignore it, or take it up with the person privately. Posting to the list
> removes any doubt.
>
> One other thing - there is no stipulation in the NDA (to my knowledge) that says
> a candidate can't ask how to do a task on his or her lab, so long as he/she > doesn't say "This was on my lab." I think if you change the question to involve
> different IP addresses and/or a different topology but still ask a question on
> the same topology, you're in the clear. Apply the pinciple ad nauseam: My lab
> (may have) required me to redistribute OSPF into RIP. Am I not allowed to ask
> the list how to do that?
>
> Hal
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jgraun@attbi.com [mailto:jgraun@attbi.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 2:50 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: STOP ASKING LAB QUESTIONS
> >
> >
> > I have seen yet another question from a lab. This forum is
> > not designed to
> > break the NDA or spoon-fed the wannabe's. I will tell you
> > how to pass the lab
> > exam, 1) have EXPERINCE, no lab rats 2) buy 7+ routers from
> > e-bay 3) once you
> > get the routers understand how the protocols work, if you
> > have mastered the
> > basics then there isnt a question they can give you that you
> > cannot answer.
> > And to the people that keep answering lab questions please STOP IT.
> >
> >
> > Thank You
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