From: Brian Dennis (brian@labforge.com)
Date: Wed Mar 12 2003 - 22:38:19 GMT-3
Michael,
If you could roll the clock back to say 1995 or 1996 what would you
bring into the lab? Remember that Groupstudy didn't exist so forget
everything you've learned here. There were not any books about Cisco
routers or certifications so forget everything you've learned from them.
There were only about 1000 CCIE's in the world and the likely hood of
talking to one was pretty slim. The concept of a home lab was unheard of
with the used price of a 2501 being over $2000. Basically all you knew
about the CCIE lab was the little webpage about the CCIE program that
Cisco had on CCO at the time.
If this one webpage was the only thing you know about the CCIE lab do
you think it was easy? ;-)
http://web.archive.org/web/19961220172335/www.cisco.com/warp/public/331/
1.shtml
Here is the equipment list from 1996:
<1996_CCO>
The CCIE Candidate will be presented with a complex design to implement
from the physical layer, through logical configuration. Candidates are
not required to configure any end-user systems, but are responsible for
any device residing in the internetwork, including hubs, MAUs, DSU/CSU,
etc. Network specifics, point values and testing criteria used to assess
correctness of the individual configurations are provided.
</1996_CCO>
So I would agree. With everyone going into the CCIE lab without a clue
as to what to really expect, those were the days ;-) Also having routers
with IOS that didn't support subinterfaces, ACL keywords,
point-to-multipoint OSPF, or even CDP made the lab fun ;-)
Know what I brought into the CCIE lab in 1996? I brought my notebook
computer loaded with the UniverCD (aka DocCD). I had the jump on the lab
because I didn't have to use the paper manuals ;-)
Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial/Security) CCSI# 98640
brian@labforge.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:19 PM
To: 'Jon Campbell'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE is less challenging now
I don't know about you, but taking the lab with a partner would be nice.
Yes, as I under stand it; labs were failed or passed with two people at
one time. You also could bring books and notes in.
Those were the days.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Jon Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:41 PM
To: Tom Larus; IPexpert, Inc.; kym blair
Cc: johntafasi@yahoo.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE is less challenging now
Ask some of the 1xxx, 2xxx, 3xxx CCIEs. They will all tell you, "Thank
God
I don't have to take the lab today!"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
To: "IPexpert, Inc." <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>; "kym blair"
<kymblair@hotmail.com>
Cc: <johntafasi@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE is less challenging now
> I have no way of knowing the answer to the ultimate issue being
debated
> here, as I have onlt taken the lab twice, and 44 days apart (same
era),
but
> I would simply point out that IGRP can be very difficult. On its
face, it
> is simple, but some of us have viewed it as "the devil." Some list
member
> called it "the devil" and I have grown to agree with him. My
difficulties
> (in my home lab) with IGRP worried me as I studied for the CCIE Lab.
>
>
> Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "IPexpert, Inc." <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>
> To: "kym blair" <kymblair@hotmail.com>
> Cc: <johntafasi@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: CCIE is less challenging now
>
>
> > Kym,
> >
> > In all reality - The topics that have been removed were much
easier to
> > learn / teach. Really....how difficult is Token Ring or
IGRP?...Cisco
is
> > definitely doing a great job adding new content - and keeping the
lab
> > challenging. If you ask some of the CCIE's with a 1xxx, 2xxx or
3xxx
> > number - some of them have never implemented some of the newer QoS,
Voice
> > or Security features within IOS....their comments are that the lab
is
> > definitely getting tougher - because it's staying current (and IOS
now
has
> > quite a bit more that can be covered)!
> >
> > Just my .02 cents! Good Luck w/ your prep!
> >
> > kym blair writes:
> >
> > > You have a great attitude. Best of luck to you. Regards, Kym
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "John Tafasi" <johntafasi@yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: "John Tafasi" <johntafasi@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: "ccielab" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >Subject: CCIE is less challenging now
> > > >Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:47:59 -0700
> > > >
> > > >With the removal of token ring from the CCIE lab ( and removal of
> related
> > > >topics such as RSRB and Translational bridging) I feel that the
CCIE
> > > >certificate is less challenging now. What do you thik guys?
> > > >.
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