From: Howard C. Berkowitz (hcb@gettcomm.com)
Date: Mon Mar 10 2003 - 12:52:53 GMT-3
At 12:29 AM -0800 3/10/03, Jay Hennigan wrote:
>On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Richard Danu wrote:
>
>> Excuse the overhead - Please reply off-line.
>
>Actually, I think much of it is germane, from the Cisco perspective of the
>"triangle" pie chart. Experience, training, and self-study are all factors
>for success.
>
>> Truth of the matter is, if an individuals can potentially pass and attain
>> their CCIE, while continuously practicing on routers as a "hobby", how could
>> they ever find themselves in the job market as internetworking professionals
>> in a production environment?
>
>One of the things the CCIE measures is performance under stress, which is
>absent from most "hobbies" and more along the lines of a desirable trait
>for internetworking professionals in a production environment.
>
>Yeah, you do have to get away from the "reload everything and see if that
>fixes it" mindset that you tend to pick up in a lab environment. :-)
:-) In the lab? Do you have any idea how often Comcast "tech support"
tells me to "reload Windows" on my Mac?
>]
>
>The veterans who spend long hours for numerous years (raises hand...) find
>much of their time spent not solving an array of vast, tough, challenging
>problems. We often find ourselves solving similar problems over and over
>again. Much of my time as a seasoned internetworking professional is spent
>yelling at telephone companies to fix layer 1 and 2 issues. Again.
>
>If you're looking for an array of vast, tough, challenging problems, then
>a four hour lab scenario in my opinion is a tougher mental challenge than
>a typical forty-hour work week in a production environment. Most production
>environments don't have multiple routing protocols redistributing over a
>huge array of LAN and WAN technologies, etc.
>
>As you get more into the design side, there is the chance that you'll
>have customers with off-the-wall needs or the need to intermix a number
>of internetworking technologies. More often than not, however, these
>real-world oddball cases are NOT in a pure Cisco environment, so they
>don't map one-to-one with CCIE study.
>
>I would say that the discipline, training, and study that I put in to
>getting the CCIE has helped me on the job much more than my experience on
>the job has helped me get the CCIE. This is a good thing, if employers
>"get it", for those with the certification.
>
>For the lower-level certs, the opposite is probably true. Working with
>the technology daily is a huge jump over reading books for the CCNA and
>the CCNP path, although there are still some things that take study.
>
>--
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