From: Chuck Church (ccie8776@rochester.rr.com)
Date: Mon Feb 24 2003 - 10:44:31 GMT-3
But Starbucks does violate the NDA. I had a "Double
Don't-bother-studying-MPLS Latte" there yesterday. It's probably just a
flavor of the month though....
Chuck Church
CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Voss, David" <dvoss@heidrick.com>
To: "'Jerry'" <phase90@comcast.net>; "OhioHondo"
<ohiohondo@columbus.rr.com>; <ray_gan74@hotmail.com>; "Sean"
<groupstudyccielab@datalion.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
> If you have seen people violate the NDA and you want to police it, you
> should address your point to them individually and/or Cisco. But to state
> the list is a violation of the NDA would be a mistake. If you hear
someone
> violate the NDA at Starbucks every morning, you don't state that Starbucks
> is violating the NDA.
>
> No one has much more explaining to do beyond that.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry [mailto:phase90@comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: OhioHondo; ray_gan74@hotmail.com; Sean; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
>
>
> Gentlemen [ and lady or 2 ] ,
>
> This may be a stupid question but here goes. Why
don't
> the questions on this list violate the CCIE NDA. I have only taken the lab
> once but I know there are several different real labs
> that must be rotated in and out in some fasion. The first time I read the
> list the day after I took my
> lab I saw the exact same questions that were on my lab. This would mean
> either someone else at RTP
> or possiblt another lab had the exact same scenario as I did. This is what
I
> wonder. Why isn't the
> whole list an NDA violation? Please exaplain at anyone's convenience.
>
>
> Jerry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: OhioHondo <ohiohondo@columbus.rr.com>
> To: <ray_gan74@hotmail.com>; Sean <groupstudyccielab@datalion.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:33 PM
> Subject: RE: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
>
>
> > I think the FAQ idea is a good one, however..... I also believe there is
> > another issue. Teaching/Instructing is a darn good way to learn -- to
> > solidify your thoughts on a subject and express them to another.
> >
> > Everyone on this forum is in a different place in their CCIE lab
> > preparation. For those on the last legs of their study preparation,
these
> > "simple", oft answered questions might be an annoyance. To others they
are
> a
> > learning opportunity both the the one who asks the question and the
one(s)
> > who answer it. Seeing others' points of view on a subject, or seeing
where
> > our study partners might be mis-directed so we can help or "answering a
> > question" and being corrected by someone who has a better grasp of the
> > technology -- these are all valuable.
> >
> > I agree that some of the questioners should do more research prior to
> asking
> > their questions. They should not take the easy way out and expect a
total
> > explanation of a technology to come from this forum. (Incidentally, this
> > approach probably confuses them rather than help because of the
multitude
> of
> > answers that are typically given.) But I also believe that anyone should
> be
> > allowed to ask any question --- for all of the good reasons mentioned
> above.
> >
> > Note --- It's not the questions that are the majority of the e-mails
that
> I
> > receive from this forum. It's the multitude of answers, requests for
> > clarification on a question, etc. In other words, it's the ones that are
> > trying to help, or the ones that are trying to discuss that are creating
> the
> > majority of the e-mails. This is not necessarily a bad thing -- however
> > e-mail is not a good media for holding discussions.
> >
> > Here is another scenario that causes extended strings on a single
string.
> I
> > have been guilty of causing this one. Sometimes a question is too open
> ended
> > (not specific enough)and I provide an answer that is not complete or
cover
> > all the possibilities -- because I don't take the time to cover all the
> > possibilites on the open ended question. I have to applaud people like
Kym
> > Blair who consistantly take the time to first clarify the question and
> then
> > give a full answer to these queries. (There are others but Kym is a
great
> > example.) Giving complete answers cuts down on the entire discussion.
> >
> > Just one more time --- the majority of the e-mails are answers to
> questions.
> > Some of the answers are just comraderie, friendly banter, between
> ourselves.
> > This social aspect of the forum, between all of those 'bleeding' through
> > their CCIE preparation, also has a value.
> >
> > With the CCO, archives and all the other resources available for
study --
> > the CCIE groupstudy has its' place. Adding a FAQ's, that has accurate
and
> > complete explanations, can't be a bad thing. But it is redundant to many
> > other possible sources of non-interactive information. (Well e-mail,
> pseudo
> > interactive)
> >
> > Just my 2 cents.........
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > ray_gan74@hotmail.com
> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:53 AM
> > To: Sean; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
> >
> >
> > I think its a great idea! That way if there is a question that has been
> > answered many times before we can just refer them to the FAQ. In
> addition
> > we won't see anymore pissed off threads why people always ask the same
> > question.
> >
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sean" <groupstudyccielab@datalion.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:05 AM
> > Subject: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
> >
> >
> > > Since many on the list think subscribers should search and/or research
> > more
> > > instead of asking same basic question repeatedly, I suggest we compile
> an
> > > FAQ for CCIE Lab takers. It should be posted to this list frequently,
> say
> > > every month or quarter depending on the resource we have.
> > >
> > > A few days ago, someone wanted to collect CCIE Lab gotcha, and those
> study
> > > points can be good candidate for the FAQ. What do you think?
> > >
> > > Sean
> > > CCIE 90XX
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