From: GSRouting@dualccie.com
Date: Mon Feb 24 2003 - 01:36:45 GMT-3
Wow. That site's got a ton of good info. The Interview with Bill Parkhurst
says that RTP uses SecureCRT, while SJ uses Windows. Anyone know if they've
changed SJ to SecureCRT, or if they plan to? It would be enough of a reason
for me to go to RTP, except that they don't have the security lab there yet.
To me that will be a major disadvantage though, using Windows telnet or
Hyperterm.
Thanks,
Eric
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean [mailto:groupstudyccielab@datalion.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 6:53 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
First, thanks to Syv Ritch for his Cisco notes at
www.911networks.com/cisco.htm.
Also, Jeff Kesemeyer volunteered to take a stab on FAQ.
This FAQ is not going to replace CCO by any means, but it should provide a
concise list of tips for CCIE candidates. As far as NDA, we definitely need
to abide by agreements. However, NDA is never meant to limit our legitimate
exchange of Cisco (not only learning) experiences. And this is why we still
subscribe this list.
Sean
CCIE #90XX
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry [mailto:phase90@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 6:21 PM
To: OhioHondo; ray_gan74@hotmail.com; Sean; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
Gentlemen [ and lady or 2 ] ,
This may be a stupid question but here goes. Why don't
the questions on this list violate the CCIE NDA. I have only taken the lab
once but I know there are several different real labs that must be rotated
in and out in some fasion. The first time I read the list the day after I
took my lab I saw the exact same questions that were on my lab. This would
mean either someone else at RTP or possiblt another lab had the exact same
scenario as I did. This is what I wonder. Why isn't the whole list an NDA
violation? Please exaplain at anyone's convenience.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: OhioHondo <ohiohondo@columbus.rr.com>
To: <ray_gan74@hotmail.com>; Sean <groupstudyccielab@datalion.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
> I think the FAQ idea is a good one, however..... I also believe there
> is another issue. Teaching/Instructing is a darn good way to learn --
> to solidify your thoughts on a subject and express them to another.
>
> Everyone on this forum is in a different place in their CCIE lab
> preparation. For those on the last legs of their study preparation,
> these "simple", oft answered questions might be an annoyance. To
> others they are
a
> learning opportunity both the the one who asks the question and the
> one(s) who answer it. Seeing others' points of view on a subject, or
> seeing where our study partners might be mis-directed so we can help
> or "answering a question" and being corrected by someone who has a
> better grasp of the technology -- these are all valuable.
>
> I agree that some of the questioners should do more research prior to
asking
> their questions. They should not take the easy way out and expect a
> total explanation of a technology to come from this forum.
> (Incidentally, this approach probably confuses them rather than help
> because of the multitude
of
> answers that are typically given.) But I also believe that anyone
> should
be
> allowed to ask any question --- for all of the good reasons mentioned
above.
>
> Note --- It's not the questions that are the majority of the e-mails
> that
I
> receive from this forum. It's the multitude of answers, requests for
> clarification on a question, etc. In other words, it's the ones that
> are trying to help, or the ones that are trying to discuss that are
> creating
the
> majority of the e-mails. This is not necessarily a bad thing --
> however e-mail is not a good media for holding discussions.
>
> Here is another scenario that causes extended strings on a single
> string.
I
> have been guilty of causing this one. Sometimes a question is too open
ended
> (not specific enough)and I provide an answer that is not complete or
> cover all the possibilities -- because I don't take the time to cover
> all the possibilites on the open ended question. I have to applaud
> people like Kym Blair who consistantly take the time to first clarify
> the question and
then
> give a full answer to these queries. (There are others but Kym is a
> great
> example.) Giving complete answers cuts down on the entire discussion.
>
> Just one more time --- the majority of the e-mails are answers to
questions.
> Some of the answers are just comraderie, friendly banter, between
ourselves.
> This social aspect of the forum, between all of those 'bleeding'
> through their CCIE preparation, also has a value.
>
> With the CCO, archives and all the other resources available for study
> -- the CCIE groupstudy has its' place. Adding a FAQ's, that has
> accurate and complete explanations, can't be a bad thing. But it is
> redundant to many other possible sources of non-interactive
> information. (Well e-mail,
pseudo
> interactive)
>
> Just my 2 cents.........
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> ray_gan74@hotmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:53 AM
> To: Sean; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
>
>
> I think its a great idea! That way if there is a question that has
> been answered many times before we can just refer them to the FAQ.
> In
addition
> we won't see anymore pissed off threads why people always ask the same
> question.
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean" <groupstudyccielab@datalion.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:05 AM
> Subject: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
>
>
> > Since many on the list think subscribers should search and/or
> > research
> more
> > instead of asking same basic question repeatedly, I suggest we
> > compile
an
> > FAQ for CCIE Lab takers. It should be posted to this list
> > frequently,
say
> > every month or quarter depending on the resource we have.
> >
> > A few days ago, someone wanted to collect CCIE Lab gotcha, and those
study
> > points can be good candidate for the FAQ. What do you think?
> >
> > Sean
> > CCIE 90XX
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