From: Jim Brown (Jim.Brown@caselogic.com)
Date: Sun Feb 23 2003 - 21:19:07 GMT-3
Think about this.
If they take the lab and can't figure out the solution after their lab
date and must ask the list for the answer..... They must REALLY REALLY
stink as an engineer.
OR
If a candidate receives some information about a real lab and they can't
figure out the solution before they take lab on their own and must ask
the list...... They will REALLY REALLY REALLY stink as an engineer.
I busted my butt and it chaps my hide to see questions pop up on the
list, but what are you going to do? You only do more damage by pointing
out it is an NDA violation. Hopefully the cheaters will fall flat on
their face in the real world. I can hope for karma.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry [mailto:phase90@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 4:21 PM
To: OhioHondo; ray_gan74@hotmail.com; Sean; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
Gentlemen [ and lady or 2 ] ,
This may be a stupid question but here goes. Why
don't
the questions on this list violate the CCIE NDA. I have only taken the
lab
once but I know there are several different real labs
that must be rotated in and out in some fasion. The first time I read
the
list the day after I took my
lab I saw the exact same questions that were on my lab. This would mean
either someone else at RTP
or possiblt another lab had the exact same scenario as I did. This is
what I
wonder. Why isn't the
whole list an NDA violation? Please exaplain at anyone's convenience.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: OhioHondo <ohiohondo@columbus.rr.com>
To: <ray_gan74@hotmail.com>; Sean <groupstudyccielab@datalion.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab
> I think the FAQ idea is a good one, however..... I also believe there
is
> another issue. Teaching/Instructing is a darn good way to learn -- to
> solidify your thoughts on a subject and express them to another.
>
> Everyone on this forum is in a different place in their CCIE lab
> preparation. For those on the last legs of their study preparation,
these
> "simple", oft answered questions might be an annoyance. To others they
are
a
> learning opportunity both the the one who asks the question and the
one(s)
> who answer it. Seeing others' points of view on a subject, or seeing
where
> our study partners might be mis-directed so we can help or "answering
a
> question" and being corrected by someone who has a better grasp of the
> technology -- these are all valuable.
>
> I agree that some of the questioners should do more research prior to
asking
> their questions. They should not take the easy way out and expect a
total
> explanation of a technology to come from this forum. (Incidentally,
this
> approach probably confuses them rather than help because of the
multitude
of
> answers that are typically given.) But I also believe that anyone
should
be
> allowed to ask any question --- for all of the good reasons mentioned
above.
>
> Note --- It's not the questions that are the majority of the e-mails
that
I
> receive from this forum. It's the multitude of answers, requests for
> clarification on a question, etc. In other words, it's the ones that
are
> trying to help, or the ones that are trying to discuss that are
creating
the
> majority of the e-mails. This is not necessarily a bad thing --
however
> e-mail is not a good media for holding discussions.
>
> Here is another scenario that causes extended strings on a single
string.
I
> have been guilty of causing this one. Sometimes a question is too open
ended
> (not specific enough)and I provide an answer that is not complete or
cover
> all the possibilities -- because I don't take the time to cover all
the
> possibilites on the open ended question. I have to applaud people like
Kym
> Blair who consistantly take the time to first clarify the question and
then
> give a full answer to these queries. (There are others but Kym is a
great
> example.) Giving complete answers cuts down on the entire discussion.
>
> Just one more time --- the majority of the e-mails are answers to
questions.
> Some of the answers are just comraderie, friendly banter, between
ourselves.
> This social aspect of the forum, between all of those 'bleeding'
through
> their CCIE preparation, also has a value.
>
> With the CCO, archives and all the other resources available for study
-- > the CCIE groupstudy has its' place. Adding a FAQ's, that has accurate and > complete explanations, can't be a bad thing. But it is redundant to many > other possible sources of non-interactive information. (Well e-mail, pseudo > interactive) > > Just my 2 cents......... > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of > ray_gan74@hotmail.com > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:53 AM > To: Sean; ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab > > > I think its a great idea! That way if there is a question that has been > answered many times before we can just refer them to the FAQ. In addition > we won't see anymore pissed off threads why people always ask the same > question. > > > Ray > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean" <groupstudyccielab@datalion.com> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:05 AM > Subject: Suggestion - FAQ of CCIE Lab > > > > Since many on the list think subscribers should search and/or research > more > > instead of asking same basic question repeatedly, I suggest we compile an > > FAQ for CCIE Lab takers. It should be posted to this list frequently, say > > every month or quarter depending on the resource we have. > > > > A few days ago, someone wanted to collect CCIE Lab gotcha, and those study > > points can be good candidate for the FAQ. What do you think? > > > > Sean > > CCIE 90XX
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