From: Jerry (phase90@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Feb 22 2003 - 12:07:04 GMT-3
Yeah I guess I can see your point. This one could have gone probably to
either list but I think more
appropriate to comp.dcom.sys.cisco. I think the one with the question about
OSPF with no area zero is more appropriate because that's the type of
curve-ball the ccie lab could throw at anyone of us
on this list.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Woody <awoody@columbus.rr.com>
To: Jerry <phase90@comcast.net>; Ouellette, Tim <tim.ouellette@eds.com>;
'Darvin' <darvin@blueyonder.co.uk>; ccielab <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts inside?
> I think the question about the OSPF 400+ was valid. There is a gray area
> around this design and I wanted others opinion who had actually used OSPF
in
> this situation. This is a group of CCIE's and wannabes right? However, the
1
> million replies was the issue. The design questions I had were answered
> within first 5 emails, but everyone continue to come up with answer not
> relevant to my original criterion. If you actually read the email I sent
it
> indicated concerns beyond basic OSPF configuration. Also, look at the OSPF
> without area 0 thread...his original question was lost very quickly
because
> everyone wants to come up with genius answers relevant or not. I am not so
> bent on asking stupid questions about the lab, I am concerned with
operation
> of Protocols, etc. that will be in the lab. Most of this stuff can be
> answered definitively reading a Doyle book or CCO.
>
> I thought you may need some clarification.
>
> Aaron...the guy who asked the "cluttering-up" design caveat question about
> OSPF hub 400+
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Jerry
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:57 PM
> To: Ouellette, Tim; 'Darvin'; ccielab
> Subject: Re: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts
> inside?
>
>
> It seems to me alot of the questions, especially about hardware topologies
> that we know are not on the lab should be asked in comp.dcom.sys.cisco -
> maybe not everyone on the groupstudy list knows about it. Perfect example
is
> the thread concerning OSPF hub with 400 +
>
> spoke. This is just cluttering-up the list because it is 99.99 %
irrelevant
> to the ccie lab experience.
> This question should be asked in comp.dcom.sys.com It is a great
newsgroup
> as it contains more real life scenarios and solutions from many
> professionals in industry.
>
>
>
> Jerry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ouellette, Tim <tim.ouellette@eds.com>
> To: 'Darvin' <darvin@blueyonder.co.uk>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts inside?
>
>
> > I think you were way out of line saying such things like that.
> Furthermore,
> > I second Jennifer's post.
> >
> > Having an inbox with 5 messages of true contect as opposed to messages
> with
> > people just to lazy to spend the time to look for themselves are two
> > different animals.
> >
> > There are no truly stupid questions. If one spends the time to look
things
> > up, try them, and just has a tough time understanding something or it
> isn't
> > working the way they expected then they post. I'm tired of posts such as
> "do
> > people want to sell me a xxxx series" , or "what does this command do".
> >
> > Please watch your profanity as this is a professional list and i'm sure
> we'd
> > all like to keep it this way. (Geoffz, i'm taking after you now *grin*)
> >
> > Let's all try and really dig deep into problems, configurations and the
> like
> > and do a little more investigative work prior to posting a question.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darvin [mailto:darvin@blueyonder.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 5:43 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts
> > inside?
> >
> >
> > hi jennifer
> > is it that time of the month already
> > chill out dear i hear what your saying. my blasted inbox is bloddy full
> as
> > well, but dont pop a blood vessel about it.
> > remember your not the only person doing the ccie lab as well. if u think
> > having your inbox full all time as pressure boy u in for shock girl coz
> the
> > lab goner make u into jelly.
> > We all got our issues we just want the simple way out.
> > Remember these quotes "Time is of essence" "There not enough days in
> week"
> > So forgive us if we do ask the odd stupid question once in a while
> > where only human after all.
> >
> > I thought i had to reply to this, coz Jennifer u made all these guys
shit
> > themselves with that email u sent. The boys to scared to reply
> >
> > Anyway good luck everyone
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Jennifer Bellucci
> > Sent: 21 February 2003 21:15
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts inside?
> >
> >
> > Hello Group members and what-have-you
> >
> > I have been reading some of the mails on the list and have been feeling
> > slightly, well pissed off.
> > You see people sending mails about what subjects are on the lab, what's
> not
> > on
> > the lab, where can I find this and what's that. That's all fair and
good,
> > that's why this group exists. What really gets to me is that people
don't
> > bother reading through the archives or going on CCO to look first.
> > 70% of the mails could be avoided by just reading instead of being
> spoon-fed
> > the information. These people are either mentally impaired in a way that
> is
> > not detectable by current medical practices or they have no idea what
> there
> > talking about.
> >
> > If you really don't know, then send the mail and that's that. I see
people
> > sending some questions they should be shot for asking. Are these people
> > really
> > studying for the CCIE or studying at all? I admit, I have sent some
crappy
> > mails to the list asking something really simple, but then I discovered
I
> > have
> > a brain, and logically a mind. If used properly, you can do amazing
things
> > like find answers the questions you ask...look for god sake, using your
> > brain
> > won't kill you. Ok, maybe for some of you, using your brain/mind is like
a
> > fighting for your life...and you know your always going to lose.
> >
> > For us un-numbered dreamers, we are working towards something and I mean
> > really working making progress and getting better in what we know and
what
> > we
> > want to know.
> >
> > Asking questions about RIDS and how they effect OSPF / BGP...read the
damn
> > book or the web site. Don't what's not the lab? Find out by looking -
not
> > asking. Can't understand something? Try harder, spend some time, drink
> lime
> > juice or something. Er...what's OSPF? and why was BGP created? how do I
> > configure IPSEC and why does this happen?
> >
> > Maybe I need to relax and think like these people? what and be brain
> dead -
> > think I know something when I don't even remember my name? I think
> sometimes
> > I
> > am stuck in game with no name. It's a shame really, I think seeing the
> > matrix
> > made me realise, maybe they were right and the matrix has forgotten to
> give
> > some people the ability to think that they are thinking for themselves.
> > Remember those green letters coming down the screen? Well, for some of
> you,
> > that was the brain you never had.
> >
> > Call me what you want, say what you want...and for the few lucky few,
> think
> > what you want. I don't know everything but I know how to help myself and
> > learn, think using my god given brain.
> >
> > Ok, know you can delete this mail. Blame it on me being on PMT and not
> > spending enough time watching MTV.
> >
> > At the end, I was only thinking...spent way too much time typing this
up,
> so
> > I
> > see you when you get there...
> >
> > Jennifer_bellucci@hotmail.com
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