From: michael.a.miller@att.net
Date: Tue Feb 11 2003 - 22:07:12 GMT-3
its not a training program. But there is no body of knowledge for what in the
world they are talking about. The language of the exam and the grading is very
arbitrary. I do not believe the lab program takes into account the diverse
backgrounds of the candidates. Do they have english majors/editors or
technical writers go through the exam before they are released?
I personally feel that the quality of the CCIE exam is being measured by
the 'failure' rate, and not the technology and concepts that it represents.
ahem- any ios command is fair game is bs, and is an effort to avoid
accountability. I have now taken the exam 4 times. [2 on the newest format].
And unfortunately because of the current market condition I have to pay for
these exams out of pocket. In a real world environment i can hold my own if
not exceed to most networking people. However in an 8 hour test after
adjusting for travel, etc, etc. And only given 8 hours to guess what the user
requirements are really saying, then get you fail, these where your
percentages. [no point values just percent of possible points etc]
I wonder if we could file ADA suits for people with attention deficit disorders
[like most computer people] and have them remove the time requirement of the
test. I have sent e-mails to cisco asking them to elaborate on certian wording
of the exam and have not received any sort of offical response back. over a
month now.
i love the folks that i have met at the ccie program.
[RTP/Howard/Shannon/Melody/etc]. But polictics are politics. I am so pissed i
am almost to the point that i want to pass the exam and just start selling
foundry gear.
-michael miller
consultant
> This is something a lot of people, incluing myself, have found to be pretty
> frustrating, specifically that you don't find out what you did wrong, even if
> you pay for a rescore. At Networkers in San Diego, Parkhurst addressed the
> issue, and his answer to it was that the CCIE program is a testing program, not
> a training program. I don't know about you guys, but to me it'd be worth $250,
> even $500 easily to find out what I did wrong on the lab.
>
> Since the labs are rotated out every thirty days, I don't see why they couldn't
> release this info thirty days after a lab attempt. Of course, I'm sure some
> schmuck somewhere would start collecting them and selling them or posting them
> somewhere.
>
> Ok, I'm done ranting.
>
> Hal
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chuck Church [mailto:ccie8776@rochester.rr.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:36 AM
> > To: Colin Barber; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Surprising score report
> >
> >
> > Not true. In my final attempt, I did something a certain way
> > involving a
> > routing protocol to meet a requirement. There was also
> > another way to do
> > it, which I realized after I'd done it my way, which worked.
> > I had enough
> > doubt in my mind about which way was better so I asked the
> > proctor. I told
> > him there were at least two ways to solve it, and I did it
> > this way. I was
> > told that they were really looking for the other way. I
> > asked if I'd get
> > the points for doing it my way. His response was 'possibly'.
> > I'm not much
> > of a gambler, so I redid it. So with 45 minutes left, I
> > started changing
> > this and watched as my IGP, EGPs, and everything on top of that broke.
> > Pretty scary. But the change worked and everything
> > straightened out. Had
> > this been the two day lab, I would have argued the next day
> > about doing it
> > my way, but with the 1 day format, you don't have that
> > luxury. Remember,
> > 'correct' in the lab is in the eyes of the proctor, not you!
> >
> > Chuck Church
> > CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Colin Barber" <Colin.Barber@telewest.co.uk>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: Surprising score report
> >
> >
> > > There may be multiple ways of doing a task and there are
> > all correct.
> > There
> > > is no Cisco way. You just have to meet the objectives exactly
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard Young [mailto:cc_young@pacbell.net]
> > > Sent: 10 February 2003 23:03
> > > To: Dimitris Vassilopoulos
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Surprising score report
> > >
> > >
> > > I did the same.
> > > I recommend forgetting the rescore. The CCIE team is very
> > inflexible in
> > > their rescores in my opinion. You also will not get an
> > explanation as
> > > to why you did not get points. Remember that there are many ways of
> > > doing a task in an exam, but the only way that counts is
> > the Cisco way.
> > > It will cost you $250 and you are better off going back to
> > the books and
> > > spending the money on more rack time to prepare for your next test.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dimitris Vassilopoulos wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone experience a confidence of passing the lab right after
> > > > leaving the center
> > > > while the received score report showed a failure at about 50%????
> > > >
> > > > If so, do you know someone who requested a re-open? What happened
> > > > afterwards?
> > > >
> > > > Any input is welcomed.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Dimitris
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