From: P729 (p729@cox.net)
Date: Tue Feb 04 2003 - 03:13:24 GMT-3
Kym,
I'm sorry to hear about your hard luck. I know you will prevail soon.
I don't know if this was a problem or not, but for what it's worth, when
designing real-world networks comprising lots of VLANs (and other "virtual"
stuff) with complicated relationships, I've found it useful to take a
classic network design approach and actually make two separate diagrams,
starting with just the logical relationships and _then_ driving it into a
diagram showing the physical relationships. Sometimes trying to deal with
both relationships on one diagram can cause your perspective to change (kind
of like an Escher painting) as the design fleshes out.
As I mentioned, I dow't know if this was a problem or not, or if there is
enough time to make it practical, but it might save some churn...
Mas
https://ecardfile.com/id/mkato
----- Original Message -----
From: "Logan, Harold" <loganh@mccfl.edu>
To: "Chuck Church" <ccie8776@rochester.rr.com>; "kym blair"
<kymblair@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: Failed Second Attempt
Chuck, Kym,
I think that may have been the case in the past, but in my opinon that's no
longer the case. The cat 3550's add an additional layer of complexity, and
you very easy find yourself having to consult two different diagrams and two
different charts at the same time.
My recommendation (for those of us who haven't passed the lab yet) is to
include the following on your diagrams of LAN interfaces:
1. Name of the VLAN
2. Number of the VLAN
3. Hostname and port number of the switch that the router connects to
4. IP address (duh)
5. IP address of the Layer 3 port on the switch or SVI, if applicable
On my recent (unsuccessful) attempt the one thing I didn't label on my
diagram was the VLAN numbers, and that alone had me flipping back and forth
between diagrams a lot.
I took it once befor they added the 3550s, and I could see it happening
then, but there's no way you could do it without making your own diagram
now. One good idea is to take some practice scenarios and practice making
accurate legible diagrams as quickly as possible, and learn where you can
take shortcuts. The time it saves in page-flipping, not to mention error
correction (few things are more frustrating than configuring the right
command on the right port on the wrong switch) is well worth it.
Hal
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Church [mailto:ccie8776@rochester.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:57 AM
> To: kym blair; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Failed Second Attempt
>
>
> Kym,
>
> I think you may have spent too much time on the diagram.
> Definitely
> read though the lab once, but I found the diagrams provided
> were enough.
> Take them out of the folder and put them within easy view on
> the desk. Keep
> in mind my last attempt was pre-3550, but I don't think it'd
> be too much
> different. Reading through the book once and making notes
> should take about
> 1/2 an hour. Saving half an hour by not doing a diagram
> should help. Brush
> up a bit on those topics you missed, and nail it next time!
> Good luck.
>
> Chuck Church
> CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kym blair" <kymblair@hotmail.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:21 AM
> Subject: Failed Second Attempt
>
>
> > Several people have asked how I did on my second attempt.
> Thanks for your
> > support and interest. I will get to enjoy the experience
> again real soon.
> > Actually, it is a fun experience. The email the next
> morning is a little
> > depressing (understatement; it's more like "which of those
> two buildings
> is
> > taller?"), but the lab itself is fun.
> >
> > When you open the book, you immediately feel it is easy and you are
> > confident you'll have no problem. My approach:
> >
> > (1) Spend an hour reading cover-to-cover and drawing a
> diagram -- saved
> some
> > time not having to reconfigure subinterfaces or removing
> subinterfaces to
> > meet a requirment you might encounter later. Also, made it
> easy to check
> IP
> > addresses, DLCI's, DR/BDR, redistribution points, IGP/EGP
> relationships,
> > etc.
> >
> > (2) Configured Layer 2 and IGPs in a couple hours. Had a
> problem that
> held
> > me up for at least an hour and knocked me out of the groove.
> >
> > (3) After lunch, flew through the big-ticket items in no time.
> >
> > (4) Then went back to work on the little points I knew
> nothing about.
> Some
> > were stand-alone topics worth a couple points each; others
> were a sentence
> > in a larger section, which means you *must* get it or lose
> all the points.
> > I had many hours to work on these, but couldn't find the
> answers to enough
> > to make it.
> >
> > (5) All this wasted time also prevented me from rechecking
> from cover to
> > cover; that night, I remembered several basic commands I
> meant to put in,
> > but forgot. The 2-hour recheck I had planned would have
> caught these.
> > Morale: around 2 hours before quitting time, stop solving the small
> problems
> > and recheck cover-to-cover so at least you get the big points.
> >
> > There really isn't that much ground to cover. The
> ccbootcamp and ipexpert
> > scenarios are harder. You must know Layer 2 (3550
> VLANs/VTP, Frame Relay,
> > ISDN, ATM), IGPs (RIPv1, RIPv2, EIGRP, OSPF, ISIS,
> redistribution), BGP,
> > Multicast, filters (access-lists, prefix-lists, route-maps)
> cold. They
> have
> > to be second nature. You should also be okay at NAT, NTP,
> DHCP, HSRP,
> > bridging, queueing, Basic Voice, ipsec, logging, QOS and
> other things you
> > really need for the real-world. Don't waste alot of time
> on GroupStudy
> > until you have these. Then pay attention to GroupStudy for
> all the little
> > topics. These are what killed me; let your peers point you
> in the right
> > direction.
> >
> > One more thing: spend at least a week knowing your way
> around the CD. You
> > don't have to be an expert at NAT, NTP, DHCP, HSRP,
> bridging, queueing,
> > Basic Voice, ipsec, logging, and QOS but you must know
> where to find them
> on
> > the CD.
> >
> > I will have good news real soon. My number will be closer
> to 11111 than
> > 99999. I always thougth the exam cost $3750 and they let
> you make it in 3
> > installments. I hope the price doesn't go up for me.
> >
> > You're all a great help. Keep up the good work!
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Kym
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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