From: Jason Sinclair (sinclairj@powertel.com.au)
Date: Thu Jan 16 2003 - 19:35:05 GMT-3
This raises an interesting issue of value of the lab? I know Peter Van Oene
often brings up this as an issue.
Jason Sinclair CCIE #9100
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Home [mailto:clarson52@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2003 00:18
To: Todd Veillette; cebuano
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
Good point. I have often thought that real world experience has led to
confusion and detraction from lab study.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Veillette" <tveillette@myeastern.com>
To: "cebuano" <cebu2ccie@cox.net>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
> Well I am one. I have taken the lab twice,
> both unsucessful. I have literally thousands
> of hours on Routers, Switches, etc. over the last
> 10 years or so. Unfortunately, 95% of all my
> configuration time is real world. Minimum
> 10 hours a day every day last 3 years especially.
>
> I would attribute my not passing to two factors.
> Lots of real world experience, definately detracts from
> the "off the wall things you must accomplish in the lab".
> The 2 methodologies detract from each other. Real world
> you have to make it work, with a specific goal of keeping
> everything stable, so correct design and optimumization are
> of utmost importantance. The lab - speed at which you can mesh
> all kinds of off the walls scenarios together, in a fashion that as long
> as it limps its good to go.
> Second, a human charasteristic, I was dealt more than my fair share
> of brain "RAM", it just happens to be the 60mSec access type vs,
> the 10uSec access type :-).
>
> -TV
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cebuano" <cebu2ccie@cox.net>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:30 AM
> Subject: RE: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
>
>
> > Okay,
> > How come we NEVER hear from people who attend bootcamps and up to this
> > day still can't pass the lab?
> > What I'm saying is that there has to be some kind of "Pre-assessment"
> > test/lab for potential customers so they know whether they're going to
> > really benefit from these bootcamps or just waste their precious
> > dollars.
> >
> > Personally, if I was running a bootcamp, I'd SCREEN my "students" so
> > they don't go out to the public criticizing my training program for not
> > getting what it's designed to accomplish. I know there is NO guarantee
> > in these bootcamps.
> >
> > I'm sure there are a lot of potential customers on this list who have
> > the same reservations on spending a couple thousand dollars.
> >
> > My 2 cents.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Home
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:35 PM
> > To: jim.phillipo@guardent.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
> >
> > I have heard excellent things about CyscoExpert and know a lot of
> > people
> > who passed first time who give them lot's of credit!!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jim.phillipo@guardent.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:59 PM
> > Subject: OT:Cyscoexpert and NLI Experiences
> >
> >
> > > I am looking into a bootcamp and these two seem to both be very good.
> > >
> > > Any input ?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > Jim Phillipo, CCNP, CCDP
> > > Sr. Internetworking Engineer
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