From: Ronald Fugate (RFugate@amdocs.com)
Date: Fri Jan 03 2003 - 23:08:28 GMT-3
Not the same.
Because you are not dropped from classes for sharing last semesters book with a friend and trying to further yourself in a study group.
I think that these companies have a right to protect themselves, but the paying customer has a right to take the material they paid for and try to get help from others understanding it. Unless, the company they bought it from is going to supply 24x7 support to help them everything they ask (not likely).
A university does not care if you take your book you bought last semester and share it with the world.
I think we are all in this together in this forum.
Lets learn together (within the law), which I believe this person was trying to do in the first place.
btw, This is not a shot at MS, this is a shot at this opinion that a few other have expressed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Snyder [mailto:msnyder@revolutioncomputer.com]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:29 PM
To: kohaag@earthlink.net
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: deleted from group
When I take classes, the college book store sells me used, and buys back
the same text books that year.
I believe the laws on printed material are very clear on this subject.
Otherwise imagine the college book publishers if they thought that they
could license per student per year.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
kohaag@earthlink.net
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:54 PM
To: Pratt, Jeremy
Cc: 'Chris Home'; IPexpert, Inc.; Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de;
Ciscomonkey@aol.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com; admin@groupstudy.com;
webmaster@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: deleted from group
Good point!!
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:19:26 -0800 "Pratt, Jeremy" <JPratt@coh.org>
wrote:
> Good point. I am waiting on IPexpert's response
> as to whether I purchase
> their program. I have enough Microsucks
> licenses to deal with without having
> to deal with this as well.
>
> Jeremy Pratt
> Network Manager
> CCNP, CCDP, CCSA, CCSE
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Home [mailto:clarson52@comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:06 PM
> To: IPexpert, Inc.;
> Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de
> Cc: Ciscomonkey@aol.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com; admin@groupstudy.com;
> webmaster@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: deleted from group
>
>
> Let me get this straight. You license your book
> to people? Not sell it? If
> you sold it then why can't a person review the
> material with a study
> partner? Is the forum part of the sale?
>
> If so, how can you kick someone out of your
> forum that they paid for simply
> because they are sharing a book they bought
> with someone else? If I buy a
> book I can do whatever I want with it short of
> copying it and redistributing
> it. If that is what the guy did (copy and
> distribute) shame on him. But if
> you are trying to exclude him from a forum that
> was part of the sale on
> something that is only copyrighted shame on
> you!!! He has every right to
> share it, it is his, and I would be asking for
> a full refund for buying
> something that included a forum that you won't
> let a person participate in.
> If you sold the forum with the book you are
> obligated to provide it to him!!
>
> All this stuff about "well so and so has got to
> make money" is bull if it
> falls outside the law. So I would again
> question, did you license your book
> to him or sell it and is the forum part of the
> sale?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "IPexpert, Inc."
> To:
> Cc: ; ; ;
>
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: deleted from group
>
>
> > Sorry to bother you all with this, but I
> was asked to clarify this
> > situation. The user "ciscomonkey" was
> deleted from IPexpert's online
> > technical support and download forum after
> they admitted to violating our
> > licensing agreement. We have no control or
> say over what Paul does on
> > groupstudy.
> >
> > Thanks! - Wayne
> >
> > Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de writes:
> >
> > > Does IPExpert own this group or mail
> server? If yes, I did not know
> that.
> > > Also I do not think that IPExpert would do
> that. But you never know the
> real
> > > story. Any way, I have no time for this. I
> got to go back to study.....
> > >
> > > Sam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ciscomonkey@aol.com
> [mailto:Ciscomonkey@aol.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:37 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> admin@groupstudy.com;
> webmaster@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: deleted from group
> > >
> > >
> > > I want to let everyone know that I got
> deleted by IP Expert from this
> group
> > > because I told them I had a study partner
> and we were sharing their
> book. I
> > > have since received harassing emails from
> them as well.
> > > .
> > .
> .
>
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